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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg this week on the

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power cast Chris O'Brien is on special

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assignment which is a convenient way of

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saying that he had something else he

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needed to do and won't make it here but

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we do have a worthy substitute in the

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person of Kurt Collins who returns as

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our guest co-host Kurt welcome back to

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the power cast thank you

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we're gonna catch up on a few things

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before we introduce our main guest to

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his none other than Nick Redfern who has

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written in the month of between

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September and August of 2015 he released

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three new books I think he's going for a

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rest cure because if I put out three

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books that quickly I would go for a rest

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cure let's catch up on a few things here

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so you're telling me Kurt that this show

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will coincide with the MUFON conference

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right that's right they're the starting

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Thursday Thursday through Sunday I guess

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you know they've got some big things our

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friend Jaime Masson is one of the

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presenters of Paul Hellyer Mark Dantonio

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I believe he's got on your show so

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there's a mix I think some people that

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are respectable and some that are

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present some interesting information

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well I always have problems when you

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have one of these events but you also

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have people who maybe have some

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questionable credentials like Jaime the

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son they say that he was he was booked

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for his international reputation and

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over he's he's a good source for

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providing of videos international videos

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that maybe so but there's some other

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problems that squirrel monkeys for

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instance mummies few things like that

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just a few problems and then of course

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Paul Hellyer when they had that citizens

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hearing on UFOs with former members of

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Congress in Washington DC he had a

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speech towards the end of the session

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where he sort of went off the rails well

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in the the

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that I've heard enough talk to a few

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people that have met him you know he had

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a position with the Canadian government

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but that was a long time ago and his he

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really has no serious direct knowledge

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of the UFO field and he's a recent

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newcomer he became uh well basically you

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fo fanna theoretical UFO books and you

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know he's got some some interesting

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economic theories which may or may not

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be valid but it's all secondhand

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information I mean you know if you went

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to somebody and and met a UFO fan in a

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bookstore they their knowledge would be

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about as valid as what he brings so the

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reason that he has government

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credentials years ago that's what gives

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him credibility that maybe he doesn't

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deserve well you know I think that's

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true that's absolutely true you know

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he's definitely banking on that

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relationship and I think he had he had

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some other he had run for election again

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was it wasn't realized it so um yah I'm

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sure he's a nice man but they didn't

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want him back

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understand that I notice an old friend

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is also speaking Preston Dennett now I

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had a magazine back in the 70s and 80s

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called caveat emptor that i published

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and edited with my first wife Geneva and

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he was a regular writer towards the end

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of that magazines existence so it's kind

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of interesting to see that after all

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these years he's still at it wow that's

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great no I I'm not familiar with his

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work so it'll be interesting to see what

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he he presents at the conference are you

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going to be there no I've got a friend

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rich Hoffman will be there he's he's the

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former Mississippi State directories

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over Alabama he's he's one of the ones

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that's involved in that unstart team

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manager now you know he's highly highly

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placed in MUFON and as a separate

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project I think I mentioned the last

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time I was here the heaves working on

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that Puerto Rican case with the the

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separate group from MUFON the the

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scientific coalition of ufology now I

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don't know if he's going to present

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anything there but I'm sure that the the

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video this Puerto Rican video that they

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analyzed will be discussed you know

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should be a good topic now just to point

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out here this conference

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is happening when this show will be on

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let me hit one other topic curt and that

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is something kind of funny

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now of course curt is the proprietor or

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curator of Jimbo's lee calm which is a

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site that honors the memory of our late

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from Jim Mosely and I was reading the

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other day a review on the scholarship or

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lack thereof and a book called killing

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Jesus which is written by Bill O'Reilly

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the Fox News host and he has a co-author

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who I suspect probably did most of the

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writing but that's another story in any

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case this person reviewed that book and

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found like 133

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inconsistencies just about the dates of

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the events in the history of Jesus and

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the guy's name he's a minister who

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writes a lot of stuff his name is James

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Mosely now the irony of this of course

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is that the Jim Mosely I know where the

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James Mosely I know was not religious at

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all that is real strange but why file

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more you go to Jim Mosely dot-com Curt

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can you tell our listeners would you

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have some new stuff over there now I'm

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hoping they have something and you know

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Nick Redfern was was a friend of Jim

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Mosley's so I'm I'm gonna pester him to

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see if he said I've got something he

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could contribute well that would be a

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very interesting thing because nick is

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going to be on the show this week and as

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we've mentioned Nick Redfern is one of

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the most prolific UFO authors currently

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I think the only UFO author who has

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written more books and he was written

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about general paranormal subjects is

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none other than Brad stager that last

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count he was up to 165 books I don't

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think Nick is quite there yet

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but his recent books include this is

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just for August and September is

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bloodline of the Gods unravel the

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mystery in the human blood type to

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reveal the aliens among us the Bigfoot

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book the encyclopedia of Sasquatch Yeti

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encrypted primates and men in black

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personal stories and eerie adventures we

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can never give up on those men in black

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Aegina believe it or not there's another

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one another one

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Chupacabra road trip in search of the

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elusive Beast you know I didn't even

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notice that one because there's so many

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books that Nick has written and the fact

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that four of them come out within one

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month of each other it's not because he

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wrote them all within a month it's very

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likely because different publishers have

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different schedules but you know what

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we're gonna rag on Nick over that

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you know how do you write for books

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what'd you do get Bill O'Reilly to write

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for you or William Shatner or something

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I was looking for a bibliography of Nick

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and I don't I don't think anyone's got a

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file big enough to hold all the books

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but I did notice that one of his books

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was co-authored with Brad Stigers so

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that's interesting that these two record

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holders you know have worked together I

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can't remember the title that we might

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have to ask him about that we'll have to

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look it up because he has a page on

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Amazon but there's a lot of fascinating

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stuff here we'll talk about the recent

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books about the Bigfoot about the

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bloodline of the Gods which I really

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want to talk about because we don't get

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into that topic as often as we should

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Nick Redfern coming up next with Gene

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and our co-host Curt Collins you're in

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Kurt Collins is our guest co-host this

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week Chris O'Brien's on special

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assignment were happy to welcome one of

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the most prolific authors in the world

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of the paranormal Nick Redfern

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welcome back Nick going quite well my

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friend I was thinking here and Kurt and

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I were kind of mentioning this in the

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preamble to the show how many books have

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you written now about 32 across the

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boats about 22 years of Gonzaga all

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right 32 books

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that's about as many as I've written but

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I wrote a lot of books about computers

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some have you telling me that was before

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you didn't feel like a lot of like high

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to books and that kind of thing were

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those right and those are the kind of

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books that don't last you know you write

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something about a current version of a

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computer operating system or software or

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a current product and that product is

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obsolete in a year so there's not much

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longevity so unless you have a really

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old product nobody cares about my books

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anymore well you know I think you get

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that even in in USO books I mean if if

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UFO researchers are honest with each

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other you know certainly a lot of my

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conclusions and thoughts on the UFO

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subjects have definitely changed since I

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first wrote my book so our first books

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you know so something picked up the

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first couple of books that in 96 97

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something like that you know they'll see

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a lot of my thoughts today they're

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different to that to what they were

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about that and there's certainly this

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people still hold some of the theories

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that I held back then but some of my

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ideas have definitely changed you know I

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guess you get that it across the board

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really since you raised the subject what

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do you think are the key areas in which

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review points have changed over the

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years from the first books to the

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current ones oh well I think the most

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significant one is the

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two of the origins of the UFO phenomenon

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you know I pretty doubtful of the

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scenario of them being literally

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extraterrestrial I mean my first two

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books cover an agenda and FBI files were

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published in 97 and 98 but there was

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salt and publish in 96 and the writing

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was completed on both roundabout 94 so

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you know we going back 20 plus years and

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certainly like 22 years since those two

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book 23 years since I even started

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writing them and I mean ironically

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probably within a year or two of those

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books coming out I've started to take

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far more of a the same type of a project

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that John Cale took you know and pretty

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much as people who know me will know

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that for the most part you know I'd be

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very surprised if the answer is just I

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would say and from another world visit

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you know sort of take a more like I said

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like a kalium view of everything there

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was once an article that Ray Palmer

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wrote in flying saucers magazine back in

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the 60s and he was also talking about

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UFOs rep being necessarily spaceships

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and he had an article roughly entitled

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do the Martian see UFOs - suggesting

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that if there were beings on Mars they'd

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see UFOs - because UFOs are not related

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to a specific planet in the sense of

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coming from another world they are

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possibly intrinsic to that world just

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like we suggest that maybe UFOs are

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intrinsic to earth and maybe the aliens

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on some planet orbiting Tau Ceti for

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example or Zeta Reticuli they'd also see

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UFOs and wonder what they were well

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that's a good point I mean that actually

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touches on some of the things that Kail

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said the idea that the UFO phenomena and

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you know a wide range of other bizarre

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mystery there's actually indicative of

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something that's part of the planet

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rather than something that is visiting

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the planet or something that unknown

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that lives on the planet that it's part

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of the be the earth itself or something

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that manifests here and it has

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manifested you know over as long as

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we've been around in various archetypal

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guises you know

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gods demons angels space brothers Grey's

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extraterrestrials you know big for my

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view certainly for the last 20 years has

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been you know I don't dismiss the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis at all well

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I think you know there's even if I don't

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fully understand what's going on I think

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there are enough threads that kind of

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demonstrate a linkage and parallels and

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similarities between a lot of these

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phenomena that so many people dearly

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wish weren't connected you know but

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that's that says more about their belief

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systems than anything else you know when

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you talk about that you kind of bring to

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mind one of your books that I have here

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it's called bloodline of the gods

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subtitled unravel the mystery of the

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human blood type to reveal the aliens

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among us now before we start this of

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course there's a feeling in some circles

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of people who look into UFO abductions

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that that's involving in part an effort

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by ET to create a hybrid race but your

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book is suggesting basically that we are

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the hybrids right well yeah I mean it's

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a bucket book actually covers two areas

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and I should stress but like oh my books

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look you know what I try and do is to

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demonstrate that we're dealing with

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theories that we try and find data to

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support or negate you know I never you

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know write a book from the perspective

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of saying I know for sure this is what's

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going on or I believe they said section

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and people sometimes accuse me of fence

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it in because I do take that approach of

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you know I just don't know but I can

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present data and this is an interesting

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scenario to pursue to see where it leads

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or it doesn't lead and that's what I've

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done with this book you can find a few

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articles going back more than a couple

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of years

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look I'll blow on the last few years has

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been this sort of almost like a surge of

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interest in people who have Rh negative

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blood according to the accounts the

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articles etc seem to have a higher than

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normal percentage of UFO experience

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these abductions contactee cases than

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people don't have Rh negative blood and

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so the book isn't a book that sort of is

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designed to support the theory it's a

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book that looks at the theory and

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addresses whether there are or there is

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data that supports it and if it does how

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how valuable or you know conclusive is

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it or is it just a case of people you

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know repeating what somebody else said

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and people looking at the are edge

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negatives but not looking at the rest of

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the abductees you know so in other words

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are you getting the false reading

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because you're focusing on the other

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edge negatives because you essentially

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told to you know so it's sort of like an

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open minded look at the phenomenon under

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the theories and but it's you know it's

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a controversial angle and you know as I

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pointed out I'm not a big believer in

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the extra-terrestrial angle that this

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book looks from the perspective what

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people are saying about the

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extra-terrestrial angle in are edge

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negatives and not you know then I

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address it now just to point out

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something here I'll reveal something and

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maybe she didn't want me to reveal it

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but I don't think it's a big secret

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my first wife Geneva had our age

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negative blood now I don't know the

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significance event otherwise it doesn't

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mean she's necessarily in alien but we

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did mention last week where she had this

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taste of a very mild drug and had this

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incredible revelatory experience so

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something about her is a little bit

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different but I think maybe we've before

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we get into anything about Geneva we

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should bring her back on the show and

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talk about that and see how that relates

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to anything well you know it's

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interesting that people who you know

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there are a lot of stories about people

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who are given pills or things to drink

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in relation to UFO encounters with their

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son disco like a bitter taste and then

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they have like you said of preferring

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UFO experience there's actually a brand

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new ice a brand new book it came out

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about three months by Joshua kuchen

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called a Trojan feast let's talk about

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that possibility our next segment our

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co-host is Curt Collins

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we've got Nick Redfern you're in the

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[Music]

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio Nick Redferns here with

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Curt Cohen's our guest co-host Chris

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O'Brien is on special assignment and it

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looks like Nick has written four books

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that have been released in weeks of each

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other now I want to ask you about that

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because we mentioned the titles

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previously we're talking about one of

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them bloodline of the gods but how do

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you get four books coming out within

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just weeks of each other is this because

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you have scattered production schedules

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00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:47,919
yeah that's exactly what it is because

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I'm actually with four different

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publishers and for the most part you

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know one might put a book out in January

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somebody else puts one out and may

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somebody else in October then somebody

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else the next January but I guess it's

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kind of inevitable because I mean they

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obviously don't consult with each other

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and say hey you know when you put Nick's

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book out and we're leaving three months

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I mean that would be stupid you know

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that's unheard of I think so in other

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words it's inevitable that at some point

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I mean in the past year has been a

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couple of times where two books came out

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together but inevitably I guess the

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times going to happen when they all put

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one out pretty much at the same time and

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so this one bloodline of the Gods was

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published by the new page books the man

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in black book is published by my agents

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company leads to Hagin books the other

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one chopper cab a road trip that's

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published by Llewellyn and the Bigfoot

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book is there's a link press but they

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weren't all written you know wasn't kind

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00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:44,410
of like typing left-handed the one book

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and writer and over the other I was

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thinking I had four computers and what

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you do is you write a page here when you

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go to the next computer may another page

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yeah I'll give you an example safe

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Llewelyn who put out the chupacabra

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roadtrip they for example had the book

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off me in like November of last year but

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decided to publish at this September so

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that was like a space of 10 months now

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the man in black book that Lisa's

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published I only finished writing that

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like two weeks three weeks ago four

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weeks ago something like that and they

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really got it out fast

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00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:21,370
so another were doing the Chupacabra

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00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,080
book the writing was finished close to a

717
00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:25,120
year ago and yet the men in black book

718
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:26,620
the writing has only finished about a

719
00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:29,049
month ago you know it looks like I'm

720
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doing all the books together but that's

721
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actually not the case a lot of it is

722
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down to the sometimes very quick process

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00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:37,840
publishers get them out versus sometimes

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00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:40,120
the quite long process you know when the

725
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:42,160
author when the publisher gets an out I

726
00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:44,049
was thinking here you run it's a hurry

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00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:46,929
up and become Brad stager oh there's no

728
00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:48,370
chance of me ever catching up with Brad

729
00:29:55,409 --> 00:29:50,230
that's actually coming close to almost

730
00:29:57,450 --> 00:29:55,419
200 now things like 180 500 is 165 I'm

731
00:30:00,299 --> 00:29:57,460
under estimating here well I know it's

732
00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:00,309
in 190s now for sure no there's no

733
00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:01,900
chance of me ever doing hundred ninety

734
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:05,470
books get started let's talk about the

735
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:07,030
bloodline of the Gods a little bit more

736
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:11,250
here now are you relating it to possible

737
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:14,110
interactions with alien beings in our

738
00:30:19,230 --> 00:30:17,260
early history or abductions now because

739
00:30:21,899 --> 00:30:19,240
I see you are focusing on abductions in

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00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:21,909
some chapters yeah I would say I think

741
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Beck forty it's about two hundred and

742
00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:25,240
sixty pages long I think the book I

743
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:26,380
don't know in front of me but it's

744
00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:28,750
something like that well about 20 pages

745
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:32,020
deal with what Rh negative blood is and

746
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:34,690
some of the issues surrounding it then

747
00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:37,210
there's about 40 pages on the distant

748
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:38,860
past like the ancient astronaut

749
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:41,230
controversy and then roughly the

750
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,520
remaining 180 or so is abductions these

751
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:47,440
controversies surrounding hybrids

752
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:50,470
military abductions and you know all

753
00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:53,470
this kind of stuff so that I guess 20%

754
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:56,740
25% these ancient astronauts that's

755
00:31:01,980 --> 00:30:58,990
pretty much the extent of that part of

756
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:01,990
it well let's look at the ancient

757
00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:03,700
astronauts because so much has been made

758
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:06,940
of that and I don't know if you're

759
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:08,650
familiar with this gentleman ever hear

760
00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:14,860
of Yona Fortner Yona Fortner fo RT AR

761
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:17,860
okay he was an early writer for Jim

762
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:21,820
Mosely saucer news and he wrote a series

763
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:24,010
of articles under the collective title

764
00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:28,500
of extraterrestrial ism as an historical

765
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:30,400
Chronicle or something like that I'm

766
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:31,930
paraphrasing the title

767
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:34,420
and he was saying basically that the God

768
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:39,700
of the Old Testament was et now are you

769
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:41,950
suggesting that that maybe the beings

770
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:46,720
that we took to be gods or God we're in

771
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:49,810
fact visitors from other worlds well no

772
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:52,090
I'm not suggesting it what I'm suggest

773
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:54,130
what I do in the book is demonstrate why

774
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:56,200
researchers in the research community

775
00:32:02,640 --> 00:31:58,930
like zecharia sitchin for example why

776
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:02,650
they came to that conclusion and and to

777
00:32:09,090 --> 00:32:04,330
demonstrate you know how their views

778
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:09,100
have modelled and shaped if you like the

779
00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:11,800
the scenario of genetic manipulation in

780
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:14,680
the distant past you know and I point

781
00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:15,850
out some of the things that they've

782
00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:19,150
relied on for example the whole issue of

783
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:21,820
things like Adams lib you know being

784
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,550
used to create even if you look at the

785
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:26,320
biblical translation he actually says

786
00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:28,690
that Adam was placed into like a great

787
00:32:34,830 --> 00:32:32,140
sleep and you know he's read was used

788
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:34,840
and to create a well you know great

789
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:37,480
sleep you can interpret that as somebody

790
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:42,720
being anesthetized you know and the rib

791
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:45,640
DNA extractions and magic materials that

792
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:47,830
kind of thing so I point out that it's

793
00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:50,440
things like this but LEDs are sort of

794
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:53,280
the formulation of these theories of

795
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,230
genetic manipulation in the distant past

796
00:33:00,810 --> 00:32:58,720
but as I also point out and it's

797
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:00,820
important to remember this that we're

798
00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:03,010
talking about ancient texts you know

799
00:33:07,770 --> 00:33:06,040
whether it's biblical texts or we're

800
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:07,780
talking about things like the Anunnaki

801
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,210
was you know a very dominant in the

802
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:12,880
ancient Babylonia the Assyrians people

803
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:15,070
like that these are texts which have

804
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:17,890
been translated retranslated

805
00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:20,160
and more and talk more importantly

806
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,260
interpreted and reinterpreted so in

807
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:26,320
other words that's why I guess things

808
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:27,940
like this polarized people into

809
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,050
different camps the

810
00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:31,600
people who've taken in T stands the

811
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:35,740
people who take you know a literal deity

812
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,830
based approach and others who look at

813
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,440
the idea of ancient human civilizations

814
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,600
that might have wipe themselves out you

815
00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:45,760
know and and that's one of the big issue

816
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:48,660
you know obviously is the city's

817
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:51,840
interpretation of you know one month's

818
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:53,830
extraterrestrial in the distant past he

819
00:33:58,620 --> 00:33:55,930
one man in other man's God in the

820
00:33:59,940 --> 00:33:58,630
distant past it's that's the problem we

821
00:34:02,790 --> 00:33:59,950
face you know there's no way we can

822
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:02,800
really ever prove anything that occurred

823
00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:06,490
ten you know really 8,000 9,000 years

824
00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:09,880
ago in terms of supernatural visitations

825
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:12,340
never mind even further back you know in

826
00:34:17,660 --> 00:34:14,890
cro-magnon times or whatever we can't

827
00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:17,670
even agree on what happened yesterday

828
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:20,200
no and that's you know that that's one

829
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:22,660
of the issues that why I always try and

830
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:24,580
write the books that I do in that way

831
00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:26,950
because again if we're honest with each

832
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,340
other you know it's it's we can have

833
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:32,800
belief systems we can have ideas and we

834
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:35,370
can bolster those ideas with data and

835
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,770
sources and witness interviews but at

836
00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:41,200
the end of the day it still doesn't

837
00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:42,820
prove anything you know and that's

838
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:45,160
that's always been the problem with in

839
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:47,410
ufology and it's the same problem in

840
00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:50,470
people who go ghost hunting or hunt for

841
00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:51,160
Bigfoots

842
00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:53,320
or whatever you know you can make a case

843
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:55,840
that Bigfoot was there's this gigantic

844
00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:58,800
extinct eighth knowledge Gigantopithecus

845
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:01,240
some people said it - that maybe it is

846
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:04,030
but the problem is it's a theory to

847
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:07,510
explain an enigma you know and that's

848
00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:08,980
what they're always constantly trying to

849
00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:11,500
do solve an enigma by coming up with a

850
00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:13,660
theory and data but again it never

851
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:16,780
actually never really ever proves

852
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:19,390
anything unless it proves it's you know

853
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:21,400
it's a hoax or a misidentification you

854
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:23,800
know very often people will look at a

855
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:26,350
photograph of a UFO and that'll be

856
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:28,390
resolved because you can see the wire

857
00:35:33,330 --> 00:35:30,760
holding it up or whatever but when it

858
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,340
seems to be anomalous we never get the

859
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:35,200
answer you know it's always liquid

860
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:37,150
phenomenons almost toying with a 50

861
00:35:42,090 --> 00:35:39,250
light well when we look at ancient

862
00:35:45,420 --> 00:35:42,100
astronauts we see these artifacts that

863
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:45,430
appear to look like a flying craft or

864
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:47,710
maybe a being wearing a spacesuit and

865
00:35:54,930 --> 00:35:53,290
this is a common cord used to possibly

866
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:54,940
demonstrate that we were visited by

867
00:35:59,310 --> 00:35:57,940
advanced beings long ago but even if we

868
00:36:01,320 --> 00:35:59,320
were it doesn't mean that

869
00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:01,330
our genetic material is something that

870
00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:03,940
was combined now of course we could

871
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:05,560
always take the Battlestar Galactica

872
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:07,690
theory where the revised Battlestar

873
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:10,420
Galactica TV series that was created by

874
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:12,910
Ronald Moore and other people that in

875
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:16,830
the last episode they land on earth a

876
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hundred fifty thousand years ago and we

877
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and we assume then that they may be

878
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cohabit with the locals know the gods of

879
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:29,620
course cohabiting with the daughters of

880
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:33,580
men and they create a hybrid race and we

881
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:36,010
of course are that hybrid race before we

882
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get into more of this stuff we have Nick

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Redfern our guest co-host is Kurt

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in a few moments I'm gonna have Kurt

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Collins our guest co-host this week

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address some of those questions and ask

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them of Nick Redfern but right now we

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books out we can do a host show on each

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one we're starting off on bloodline of

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the Gods because this is a fascinating

1003
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:34,059
concept that perhaps in ancient times

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maybe we're descended from them or they

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created a hybrid race among the locals

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now here's something that sometimes

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00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,700
occurs to me why don't we go into UFO

1008
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:44,339
abductions I've mentioned this before

1009
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:48,250
and that's a feeling or wondering here

1010
00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:49,690
whether when we have an abduction

1011
00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:52,420
experience are we actually having

1012
00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:54,550
experience with something or maybe it's

1013
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:57,220
our racial memory telling us about the

1014
00:42:04,049 --> 00:42:01,240
genetic experiments that were conducted

1015
00:42:06,809 --> 00:42:04,059
that created the human race isn't that

1016
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:06,819
strange over here that's very well I

1017
00:42:12,089 --> 00:42:08,770
have heard that theory in relation to

1018
00:42:14,339 --> 00:42:12,099
sort of the controversial issue of what

1019
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:14,349
are known as like inherited memories you

1020
00:42:18,089 --> 00:42:16,180
know the idea that in the same way that

1021
00:42:20,549 --> 00:42:18,099
people inherit physical traits from

1022
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:20,559
their parents the color of your eyes or

1023
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:22,980
shape your nose or whatever your lips

1024
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:25,660
you know this controversial theory of

1025
00:42:30,569 --> 00:42:28,270
inheriting fragments of literal memories

1026
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:30,579
you know it kind of in a strange way

1027
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,960
sort of ties in where these stories

1028
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:34,000
about somebody has an organ transplant

1029
00:42:38,339 --> 00:42:35,770
you know and then they begin to get the

1030
00:42:40,589 --> 00:42:38,349
craving of the food or whatever the

1031
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:40,599
person whose organ was transplanted into

1032
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:43,510
them as if some essence of the person is

1033
00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:47,049
you know still exists so therefore if

1034
00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:49,000
you get an organ transplant and that

1035
00:42:54,059 --> 00:42:51,160
person was a murderer and you're a

1036
00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:54,069
pretty nice person watch out well you

1037
00:42:57,150 --> 00:42:55,869
know I mean it's again it's a theory you

1038
00:42:59,130 --> 00:42:57,160
know and there are some studies that

1039
00:43:01,170 --> 00:42:59,140
have been done suggesting it's a reality

1040
00:43:04,349 --> 00:43:01,180
but I mean I don't think you know if

1041
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,359
somebody has a skin graft or whatever or

1042
00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:07,599
you know I do know a heart transplant

1043
00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:09,460
that they're going to suddenly break out

1044
00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:11,260
a chainsaw and start chopping people's

1045
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:13,000
heads up now I think that's bizarre and

1046
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:13,480
that's

1047
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,730
you know but there have been studies

1048
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:18,640
done that suggest you know a few way of

1049
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:21,400
things but along those lines but nowhere

1050
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,580
near as sensational as that but in so

1051
00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:27,280
insane that you know that kind of ties

1052
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:28,900
in with what you're saying about you

1053
00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:31,090
know fragments of memories in the past

1054
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,160
but I mean if you look at a lot of

1055
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:35,200
abduction stories I point this out in

1056
00:43:40,590 --> 00:43:38,230
the book you know there are clear

1057
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:40,600
parallels between today's abduction

1058
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:43,840
stories and today's and also in the

1059
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:46,510
distant past stories of like Incubus and

1060
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:47,410
succubus

1061
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,140
you know the idea of some sort of

1062
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:52,960
paranormal somewhat threatening presence

1063
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,380
in the bedroom an inability to move the

1064
00:44:02,640 --> 00:43:58,720
thing comes closer there's a sexual

1065
00:44:04,349 --> 00:44:02,650
component to it all you know you having

1066
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,359
a distant past like I said Incubus

1067
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:07,119
succubus Lilith you get the first time

1068
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:09,670
kind of things in faerie and gobbling

1069
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:12,490
tales from Middle Ages Europe then you

1070
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:15,369
know we have abductions today and and

1071
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:16,750
you still have you know things like the

1072
00:44:22,890 --> 00:44:19,210
Incubus like for example in Newfoundland

1073
00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:22,900
you know you have the old hag and so in

1074
00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:25,180
many respects you can look at it from

1075
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:27,400
the perspective is it something that

1076
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:29,950
actually isn't occurring physically you

1077
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:32,410
know is it occurring in the mind now you

1078
00:44:35,849 --> 00:44:34,300
know this I'm not taking a skeptical

1079
00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:35,859
approach a lot of these skeptics say

1080
00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:38,080
well it's in the mind in the sense it's

1081
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:40,600
a product of the mind I actually wonder

1082
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:42,570
if there's some sort of paranormal

1083
00:44:47,940 --> 00:44:45,730
phenomena that can actually invade the

1084
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:47,950
dream state and intrude upon our dream

1085
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:49,780
state which is highly controversial you

1086
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:51,430
know but I don't care you know I believe

1087
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:55,330
I accept and happy to admit I believe

1088
00:45:01,050 --> 00:44:57,250
and accept some freaky stuff you know

1089
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:01,060
and and I sometimes wonder on that if

1090
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:03,730
you know a lot of UFO experiences

1091
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:06,520
because the craft are very often okay

1092
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:08,770
demonic archetypal source of shaked or

1093
00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:10,990
whatever but pretty much the always

1094
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,540
slightly different the beings are always

1095
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:15,280
slightly different you know I think I

1096
00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:17,650
can understand the idea of maybe three

1097
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:20,380
or four vases visiting us but when you

1098
00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:22,990
get so many different types and even

1099
00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:24,760
with the gray ones or whatever you know

1100
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:27,380
there's slight differences that makes me

1101
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:29,510
with the fenomena is sort of manifesting

1102
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:32,810
for each person in a unique way and

1103
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:35,330
maybe we've never actually seen real UFO

1104
00:45:41,710 --> 00:45:38,210
phenomenon in its pure literal form

1105
00:45:43,690 --> 00:45:41,720
maybe it's sort of reacts and manifests

1106
00:45:46,090 --> 00:45:43,700
according to our subconscious our

1107
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:46,100
beliefs our pop culture all mixed into

1108
00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:48,920
one union I want to talk some more about

1109
00:45:54,340 --> 00:45:51,590
the paranormal aspect but before we

1110
00:45:55,450 --> 00:45:54,350
leave the the blood of the gods topic

1111
00:45:58,270 --> 00:45:55,460
there were there are a few questions

1112
00:46:00,070 --> 00:45:58,280
from listeners that are related to this

1113
00:46:01,780 --> 00:46:00,080
and some of them you know they haven't

1114
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:01,790
read the book yet so this may not be a

1115
00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:04,250
complete match but they wanted to know

1116
00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:06,590
gongs wanted to know do you think the

1117
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:08,780
biblical stories are dealing detailing

1118
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,510
characters that live very long lives

1119
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:13,040
compared to us could have any validity

1120
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:15,170
to them you know could this relate to

1121
00:46:21,610 --> 00:46:19,450
them to blood well you know I mean

1122
00:46:23,830 --> 00:46:21,620
something I do talk about in the book

1123
00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:23,840
but again I sort of point out you know

1124
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:27,260
are we looking at literal sort of super

1125
00:46:32,350 --> 00:46:30,070
length you know lifespans which

1126
00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:32,360
supposedly again according to the

1127
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:34,940
interpretations that the Anunnaki had

1128
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:37,390
you know whatever the Anunnaki may be

1129
00:46:41,620 --> 00:46:39,890
you know you do have these stories and

1130
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:41,630
then you have stories in the you know

1131
00:46:47,170 --> 00:46:43,730
the Bible like Matthew's or no and

1132
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:47,180
living extensive life spans things like

1133
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:51,110
this now of course again it's a matter

1134
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:53,530
of being open to interpretation I mean

1135
00:46:59,980 --> 00:46:56,870
worthy translations correct in terms of

1136
00:47:02,170 --> 00:46:59,990
you know figuring out the lifespans were

1137
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:02,180
they created to give more of an air of

1138
00:47:07,690 --> 00:47:04,970
mystery and power to these individuals

1139
00:47:10,030 --> 00:47:07,700
like Noah or was it the literal truth

1140
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:10,040
you know all we can say for sure is that

1141
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:12,380
you know researchers have made a case

1142
00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:15,380
that they did live that long because

1143
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:17,270
they take the view that you know they're

1144
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:20,690
sort of you know the offspring of the of

1145
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:22,430
the God so to speak which gets into

1146
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:24,730
things like the Nephilim you know and

1147
00:47:29,860 --> 00:47:27,980
hybrids and you know the the gods coming

1148
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,870
down and taking the daughters of men

1149
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:32,240
that kind of thing so you can make that

1150
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:34,790
case but equally you can make a case

1151
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:37,370
that somebody really wanted to you know

1152
00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:39,950
sort of make no and the fears a little

1153
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:41,240
really

1154
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:43,150
powerful and strong and you know

1155
00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:46,460
everlasting and again you know that's

1156
00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:48,860
truly not me fence it you know I have to

1157
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,280
present you know both sides because we

1158
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:55,040
have no way of proving Internet well

1159
00:47:59,920 --> 00:47:57,650
this yeah and but you know definitely

1160
00:48:02,859 --> 00:47:59,930
there's a lot of thought that but

1161
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,869
various researchers that have tried to

1162
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:05,119
use a bottle of source mature and

1163
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,490
married to the the UFO phenomena and so

1164
00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:10,160
you can do that but I think you should

1165
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:13,550
only do it if you admit that if you're

1166
00:48:17,470 --> 00:48:15,380
going to take it literally then you're

1167
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,480
doing it on belief if you want to

1168
00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:19,760
interpret it and show people how and why

1169
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:22,300
you interpreted it and demonstrate your

1170
00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:24,590
theories that you feel back it up that's

1171
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:27,350
fine but when people just literally say

1172
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:29,930
you know for example water was turn into

1173
00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:33,080
wine or two of every single animal on

1174
00:48:37,060 --> 00:48:35,360
the entire planet was loaded aborted up

1175
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:37,070
board an arc which is ridiculous the

1176
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,050
thing would sink in two seconds flat and

1177
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:42,160
how do you even get a female and a male

1178
00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:45,590
fully grown lion onto an ark good luck

1179
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,240
doing that you know that's the thing you

1180
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:49,280
wouldn't even get it two feet on the on

1181
00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:51,650
the on the ship before your arm was torn

1182
00:48:56,050 --> 00:48:54,350
off so that's the problem you keep an

1183
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,060
interpret if this stuff literally but if

1184
00:49:00,580 --> 00:48:57,920
you do you're doing a disservice to

1185
00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:00,590
yourself and the Raiders there are a few

1186
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,150
other questions no this one I don't

1187
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:04,160
think you covered this is more on DNA

1188
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:06,950
they're asking this is a bitter one he

1189
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,450
wants to know if you familiar with the

1190
00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:11,119
story of Peter Couri the hair of the

1191
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,400
alien case did bill talker wrote about

1192
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:16,640
do you know that one yeah I don't but I

1193
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:16,940
do

1194
00:49:24,250 --> 00:49:21,770
by Fernanda correctly paraview

1195
00:49:26,170 --> 00:49:24,260
pocketbooks about ten years ago and Bill

1196
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:26,180
talked about this book I was to do with

1197
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:27,970
an abduction story where

1198
00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:31,820
reportedly a hair was found after an

1199
00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:34,190
abduction experience and you remember

1200
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:36,020
correctly the analysis are maybe wrong

1201
00:49:40,810 --> 00:49:38,210
but I'm pretty sure the analysis was

1202
00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:40,820
something along the lines of there was

1203
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:42,830
like a like a Gaelic connection or

1204
00:49:47,299 --> 00:49:45,180
something like that series that's right

1205
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,309
the quarter head and the question said

1206
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:49,619
that it showed a combination of two

1207
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:52,529
separate types a mitochondrial DNA hey

1208
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,190
you know so it was it was very unusual

1209
00:50:00,559 --> 00:49:58,079
yeah yeah I knew there was something

1210
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,569
about the DNA and and he was the base of

1211
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:02,460
the thrust of the the book was you know

1212
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:04,650
sort of forensic analysis finally of

1213
00:50:09,410 --> 00:50:06,930
something in relation to an abduction

1214
00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:09,420
case and I did read it but I've got to

1215
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:11,309
be honest you know I read it sort of ten

1216
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:13,740
years ago in fact I know for a fact in

1217
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:15,529
my book case somewhere I've got like a

1218
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,270
original crew Fabi that the publisher

1219
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:20,160
sent me to like it as an advance review

1220
00:50:24,019 --> 00:50:22,230
thing and I know it was he was you know

1221
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:24,029
it must have been a decade ago or maybe

1222
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:26,130
a little bit more laughing but I mean it

1223
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:27,510
was like you an interesting book it was

1224
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:30,990
unique and you know it took a refreshing

1225
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,210
approach to the whole abduction

1226
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:35,760
phenomenon rather than just pursuing a

1227
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:37,980
story relating you know actually seeing

1228
00:50:42,799 --> 00:50:39,210
if there's something that could be

1229
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:42,809
forensic Lee studied or not yeah that's

1230
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:47,940
quite quite rare and the last thing we

1231
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,319
may have a two-part question here this

1232
00:50:55,309 --> 00:50:52,559
was from Wade I he wants to know do you

1233
00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:55,319
think the bloodline has anything to do

1234
00:51:00,859 --> 00:50:57,569
with the observation made in the past by

1235
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:00,869
keel how certain ethnicity search such

1236
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:03,150
as the Irish and Native Americans have

1237
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:05,490
stronger connections to paranormal

1238
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:07,410
phenomenon and the second part of that

1239
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:10,500
was what do you feel about the dilution

1240
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:13,020
of those bloodlines and you know does

1241
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:15,990
that just leave them out of luck or out

1242
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:19,020
of the privileged will have the answer

1243
00:51:24,289 --> 00:51:21,059
from Nick to Wade's question our next

1244
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:24,299
segment our co-host is Kurt Collins we

1245
00:51:30,850 --> 00:51:27,420
have Nick Redfern author of 32 books and

1246
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Counting you're in

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1282
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1283
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I've made predictions like this before

1284
00:53:25,150 --> 00:53:22,100
thing is I was right then to a few years

1285
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:25,160
ago I warned that housing prices would

1286
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,210
collapse they did before that I warned

1287
00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:32,480
that dot-com companies would crash they

1288
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did those who listened had a chance to

1289
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save themselves but this has nothing to

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do with the stock market this will

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1297
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:13,530
here's Jane Steinberg Nick Redfern has

1298
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:15,420
four books out we're not gonna get to

1299
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,700
all four sorry folks but we'll cover

1300
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:20,160
right now bloodline of the Gods and

1301
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:21,630
we'll try to get maybe to the men in

1302
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:23,790
black book let's see if we have time we

1303
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:25,470
have a question from one of our regular

1304
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:27,690
posters weighed on the table from the

1305
00:54:32,420 --> 00:54:30,839
previous segment Nick your response yeah

1306
00:54:34,579 --> 00:54:32,430
I mean to deal with the second part

1307
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:34,589
first I mean this is an area that I

1308
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:37,770
steered away from in the book but other

1309
00:54:43,579 --> 00:54:40,710
researchers haven't and you know there's

1310
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:43,589
been some writings on this whole rh-

1311
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:46,980
angle where the you know the writers

1312
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:49,710
have got you know there's almost like an

1313
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:53,130
undercurrent of racism involved you know

1314
00:54:59,720 --> 00:54:57,020
the idea that these are the elites and

1315
00:55:04,010 --> 00:54:59,730
you know people of this bloodline are

1316
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:04,020
somehow superior over you know the other

1317
00:55:10,339 --> 00:55:07,010
ethnic groups etc and that's sort of a

1318
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:10,349
dangerous angle to go down it's like a

1319
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:13,260
disrespectful angle and you know there's

1320
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:15,540
no reason to believe that that has even

1321
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:18,119
any merit you know I I point out in the

1322
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:20,220
book and this is an important issue is

1323
00:55:25,789 --> 00:55:23,880
that regardless of what people think

1324
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:25,799
about the Rh negative angle in relation

1325
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:29,760
to UFOs the fact is that you find it's

1326
00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:32,579
not like you find Rh negatives just in

1327
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:34,859
you know Caucasians or anything like

1328
00:55:41,089 --> 00:55:37,530
that you know you find them you know in

1329
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,099
Caucasians in African Americans in Asian

1330
00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:43,200
Americans all across the board you find

1331
00:55:47,539 --> 00:55:44,430
Rh negatives

1332
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,549
now the percentages are very small in

1333
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:49,740
each of those groups there's one group

1334
00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:51,510
of people where it's significantly

1335
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:53,460
higher the Basque people of Spain and

1336
00:55:57,799 --> 00:55:55,140
that's something I talk about in the

1337
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,809
book but you know to sort of I think to

1338
00:56:02,839 --> 00:56:00,480
sort of suggest another way to doing but

1339
00:56:05,059 --> 00:56:02,849
I mean I was asking the question you

1340
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:05,069
know this issue of different groups and

1341
00:56:09,020 --> 00:56:06,599
elites that kind of

1342
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:09,030
you know I don't see any merit in the

1343
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:11,880
idea that you know this somehow implies

1344
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:14,640
the one group of people are superior

1345
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,990
over the other I don't I don't see any

1346
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:17,640
evidence about at all because as I said

1347
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:20,640
it is spread far and wide across you

1348
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:23,130
know all the various ethnic groups etc

1349
00:56:28,940 --> 00:56:26,550
well I just picked up a stat online it

1350
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:28,950
says 15 percent of the white population

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00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,420
are Rh negative and 7 percent of the

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00:56:37,089 --> 00:56:35,280
african-american population no I don't

1353
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:37,099
know about the rest of it well

1354
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:39,150
asian-american is only roughly around

1355
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:41,730
about 1 to 2 percent that's very low but

1356
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:44,310
the important thing is it's not like as

1357
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:46,650
some people tried to imply something

1358
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:49,800
that is integral to one group of people

1359
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:52,290
and that's it you know and then the

1360
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,119
implications that go along with that

1361
00:56:59,359 --> 00:56:56,940
that's not the case at all it's across

1362
00:57:02,180 --> 00:56:59,369
the board just to let you know folks I

1363
00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:02,190
did write an email to Geneva asking her

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:05,460
to illuminate us on this Rh negative

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00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:08,490
factor how it has affected her

1366
00:57:15,099 --> 00:57:11,640
personality other then there's a genetic

1367
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:15,109
thing that if you we almost had a child

1368
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:19,680
it was a stillborn but apparently if

1369
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:23,460
someone who is Rh positive like me and a

1370
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:26,190
person who is Rh negative have a child

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00:57:31,089 --> 00:57:28,130
acts that they have to take some kind of

1372
00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:31,099
medication or something yeah that's true

1373
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,200
what happens is that when a woman

1374
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:37,920
becomes pregnant obviously that you know

1375
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,619
the the growing fetus is nourished by

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00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:41,760
the mother but a lot of people don't

1377
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:44,070
realize that the to the blood streams of

1378
00:57:50,030 --> 00:57:47,790
the two actually don't cross and you

1379
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,040
know very often in an Rh negative Rh

1380
00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:51,839
positive situation there aren't always

1381
00:57:55,579 --> 00:57:54,390
problems but you say for example you

1382
00:57:57,370 --> 00:57:55,589
know a woman has to go through this

1383
00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:57,380
process which is called amniocentesis

1384
00:58:02,870 --> 00:57:59,490
you know sometimes it may be necessary

1385
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:02,880
to extract you know blood from the fetus

1386
00:58:07,339 --> 00:58:05,099
if there are any issues or concerns etc

1387
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,349
etc if during that process you know

1388
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:09,359
which involves in simple terms it's like

1389
00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:12,089
the insertion of a needle if during that

1390
00:58:17,810 --> 00:58:15,020
process some of the growing babies blood

1391
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:17,820
crosses with the mother's blood the

1392
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:19,800
mothers immune system

1393
00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:22,920
essentially views the unborn fetus as no

1394
00:58:28,610 --> 00:58:25,590
pun intended as alien and tries to kill

1395
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:28,620
the fetus that's why drugs have to be

1396
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:31,740
taken medication taken to combat this

1397
00:58:37,610 --> 00:58:34,680
particular issue from occurring and the

1398
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:37,620
you know the the symptoms range from the

1399
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:40,050
worst-case scenario obviously death to

1400
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:42,690
things like a kilt anemia which you know

1401
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:45,270
anemia in a person if you got like a I

1402
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:48,090
know like an anorexic teenage girl or

1403
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:50,520
something she can become an anemic but

1404
00:58:55,220 --> 00:58:52,500
you know if she recovers and eats well

1405
00:58:57,350 --> 00:58:55,230
again the anemia eventually with help

1406
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:57,360
and treatment as well will go away but

1407
00:59:02,570 --> 00:59:00,480
if the unborn fetus develops a namely in

1408
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:02,580
the womb you know it can cause lasting

1409
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:04,680
effects when the baby's born you know

1410
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:06,660
that but it cannot recover from because

1411
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:08,040
it didn't develop right in the first

1412
00:59:13,630 --> 00:59:11,010
place so yeah there's a lot of issues to

1413
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:13,640
be wary of when it comes to Rh negative

1414
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,890
/ rh positive pregnancies but the good

1415
00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:18,480
thing is you know today the technology

1416
00:59:22,820 --> 00:59:20,430
and the medication still exists to

1417
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:22,830
combat this that's why in today's world

1418
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:25,410
you know a mother is always carefully

1419
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:29,460
tested for blood group type etc and and

1420
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:32,010
as is you know and to check against the

1421
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,260
father as well there you go

1422
00:59:39,830 --> 00:59:36,960
so the thing I wonder about here with

1423
00:59:43,210 --> 00:59:39,840
all these theories hybrid aliens that

1424
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:43,220
kind of stuff as you pretty much explain

1425
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:45,420
it's hard enough to prove what happened

1426
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:47,790
yesterday we're not gonna prove ever

1427
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:49,530
unless there's some kind of smoking gun

1428
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:50,040
somewhere

1429
00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:53,010
what happened 3,000 or 5,000 or 10,000

1430
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:55,980
years ago right no we don't all we can

1431
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:57,690
do we can do our best to try and

1432
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:00,180
understand it interpret the old texts

1433
01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:02,130
and things like that and you're right

1434
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:04,200
the only way that it could happen that

1435
01:00:09,610 --> 01:00:05,610
we might have the answer was being

1436
01:00:11,540 --> 01:00:09,620
through some massively alternative

1437
01:00:14,330 --> 01:00:11,550
explanation that was a totally

1438
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:14,340
unforeseen I mean I guess you know that

1439
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:16,650
the the closest equation I can think of

1440
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,690
he's very different but he kind of makes

1441
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:20,880
the point you know you hear all these

1442
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:23,250
stories for years about government

1443
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:25,710
agencies watching people that's extra

1444
01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:27,720
and monitoring them and things like this

1445
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:29,940
and then suddenly out of the blue we get

1446
01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:32,460
this guy Edward Snowden who blows the

1447
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:33,630
whistle on this joke

1448
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,809
program which involves the you know the

1449
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:39,359
social media and phone record collection

1450
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,210
of every citizen of the United States of

1451
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:45,119
America now that was sort of totally

1452
01:00:50,029 --> 01:00:47,369
left to field you know the yes to the

1453
01:00:52,249 --> 01:00:50,039
rumors or the stories but he came out of

1454
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:52,259
nowhere and blew the whole whistle on

1455
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:54,089
this entire thing and you know the

1456
01:00:57,859 --> 01:00:56,130
country was stunned but really didn't

1457
01:01:01,579 --> 01:00:57,869
stand up and say anything about it you

1458
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:01,589
know just okay that's how it is so in

1459
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,140
other words I think things like that

1460
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:06,000
could potentially happen with the UFO

1461
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:07,890
subject obviously it's dictated by

1462
01:01:12,019 --> 01:01:09,930
whether or not something's actually

1463
01:01:14,299 --> 01:01:12,029
being hidden and I think something is

1464
01:01:16,819 --> 01:01:14,309
but the big question is what is it and I

1465
01:01:19,759 --> 01:01:16,829
think you know even though I have doubts

1466
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:19,769
about what happened at Roswell you know

1467
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,690
being extraterrestrial I don't think

1468
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:23,819
something significant way it happened

1469
01:01:31,059 --> 01:01:27,900
now clearly with something like was well

1470
01:01:34,759 --> 01:01:31,069
freedom information hasn't penetrated

1471
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:34,769
anything you know the Air Force told us

1472
01:01:38,359 --> 01:01:36,900
it was a mogul balloon and for the

1473
01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:38,369
record a lot of people know I don't

1474
01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:40,230
believe the Air Force was lying I think

1475
01:01:45,470 --> 01:01:42,440
they went looking and found nothing and

1476
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:45,480
felt they the art the responsibility was

1477
01:01:51,859 --> 01:01:47,819
still on their part to try and come up

1478
01:01:53,019 --> 01:01:51,869
with an explanation but you know we

1479
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:53,029
could have a totally unforeseen

1480
01:01:58,130 --> 01:01:56,099
situation occur where the truth comes

1481
01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:58,140
tumbling out about Roswell and I would

1482
01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:01,380
sort of apply that in a skewed way if

1483
01:02:06,349 --> 01:02:03,480
you like to the ancient astronaut angle

1484
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:06,359
that maybe one day the whole thing would

1485
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:08,670
be exposed overnight because of

1486
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:10,890
something so alternative you know

1487
01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:14,339
interpreting texts and reinterpret them

1488
01:02:17,749 --> 01:02:15,660
and trying to understand I'm trying to

1489
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,759
find collaborative data is good but it

1490
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:19,920
hasn't taken us back beyond the

1491
01:02:26,059 --> 01:02:22,980
theoretical stages yet maybe something

1492
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:26,069
could maybe something never will but you

1493
01:02:31,249 --> 01:02:29,730
know we're still at that stage of you

1494
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:31,259
know just looking for answers rather

1495
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:32,940
than actually having them well we also

1496
01:02:38,809 --> 01:02:34,920
have a situation here where ancient

1497
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:38,819
texts the versions we see today are the

1498
01:02:43,309 --> 01:02:41,250
result of politics where a group of

1499
01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:43,319
people get together and they decide

1500
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:45,420
we're going to have this and we're going

1501
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:45,770
to

1502
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:47,330
change that phrase because that's not

1503
01:02:51,850 --> 01:02:50,090
really gonna work for us and that's how

1504
01:02:53,110 --> 01:02:51,860
we do it unfortunately now it looks like

1505
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:53,120
they're trying to do that with history

1506
01:02:58,930 --> 01:02:55,490
so for example this happens in your

1507
01:03:02,410 --> 01:02:58,940
state Texas where the school officials

1508
01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:02,420
are busy manipulating what they want in

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textbooks and because the state of Texas

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is so large textbook publishers will

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tend to take those books and send them

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nationwide so suddenly you have people

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students learning an alternate version

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get to the one on the men in black the

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news stories about men in black maybe

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we'll get to the others a little bit

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later but I think laughs - a separate

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episode Kurt Collins is our guest

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co-host Chris O'Brien is on special

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assignment now when I brought up the

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shall we say the efforts to make ancient

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texts politically correct you had an

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01:08:38,939 --> 01:08:36,819
observation to make Nick Redfern well

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01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:38,949
yeah I mean unfortunately you do find

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that you know all of history and and

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01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:44,679
unfortunate that that's how it's always

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been and it probably will be the the

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01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,069
trick I guess is to let people know when

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that's occurring when you start going

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01:08:57,979 --> 01:08:55,779
down that path of censoring history and

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01:09:00,090 --> 01:08:57,989
changing history then things become

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extremely dangerous you know that's a

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01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:02,469
that's equally as dangerous as the other

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01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:04,089
trend that's going on the whole issue of

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01:09:10,019 --> 01:09:07,089
dumbing down society you know not so

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01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:10,029
much lying to them or changing things

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01:09:14,249 --> 01:09:11,890
you know more if this is more like a

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01:09:17,789 --> 01:09:14,259
brave new world situation like oldest

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01:09:19,649 --> 01:09:17,799
huxley where people aren't denied gaiter

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or books they just don't care about

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01:09:24,689 --> 01:09:22,359
books you know or history they just

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01:09:27,059 --> 01:09:24,699
don't care it's not like all wells 1984

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01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:27,069
where it's oppressive and you know this

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01:09:30,809 --> 01:09:29,170
is banned and that's banned you know a

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01:09:33,090 --> 01:09:30,819
brave new world is more along the lines

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01:09:37,050 --> 01:09:33,100
of people just don't care you know they

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01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:37,060
couldn't care less and and so you know

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01:09:42,419 --> 01:09:39,250
the danger is I think I see sort of bits

1678
01:09:45,149 --> 01:09:42,429
of that across the board in you know the

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01:09:47,610 --> 01:09:45,159
world today you know people say the

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01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:47,620
world's going to hell but then if you

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01:09:52,140 --> 01:09:49,390
look at for example the number of people

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01:09:54,030 --> 01:09:52,150
actually bother to get out and vote it's

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01:09:56,370 --> 01:09:54,040
actually you know if you look the people

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01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,380
don't vote it's an incredible percentage

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01:10:01,050 --> 01:09:58,480
well you know you can't complain about

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01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:01,060
the state of the world if you're not

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01:10:05,490 --> 01:10:02,800
willing to do something about it

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01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:05,500
by you know exercising your right to

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01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:08,320
vote but if you know but people just

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01:10:11,790 --> 01:10:09,670
don't bother

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01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:11,800
I mean it's kind of like the the Snowden

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01:10:17,820 --> 01:10:14,910
thing you know I mean you look at the

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the the AH prizing if your local

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01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:19,719
demonstrations surrounding things like

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:22,330
the Vietnam War you know the the whole

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01:10:26,939 --> 01:10:24,489
thing with the NSA revelations was that

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01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:26,949
every single US citizen been entire

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01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:30,510
social media data is being collected and

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01:10:36,169 --> 01:10:33,820
and what happens you know it's like

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01:10:39,419 --> 01:10:36,179
locusts chirping that's what happened I

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01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:39,429
have a little bit of a theory about that

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01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:41,830
and that's that's partly the world that

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01:10:48,090 --> 01:10:45,420
we live in and we are so conditioned to

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01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,100
ignore and we have to just drive down

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01:10:52,740 --> 01:10:50,560
the street you if you paid attention to

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01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:52,750
every advertisement you'd crash your car

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01:10:57,660 --> 01:10:55,920
and we're constantly bashed by

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insignificant information and

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01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:01,719
advertisements and in people in learning

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01:11:05,970 --> 01:11:03,310
how to tune that out I think they've

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01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:05,980
learned they've shut a lot of important

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01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:08,260
things out and the news is just noise to

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01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:11,410
them they're missing it yeah well that's

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01:11:13,979 --> 01:11:12,640
actually a good point I never thought

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01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:13,989
about that well but now that that is a

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01:11:18,450 --> 01:11:16,390
good point you know people just shutting

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01:11:21,630 --> 01:11:18,460
things out but you know and it comes

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01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,640
down to you know people if people don't

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:23,440
look into things and don't care about

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01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:25,449
what's going on in the world then it's

1721
01:11:30,419 --> 01:11:29,050
almost like it's not you know a 1984

1722
01:11:32,430 --> 01:11:30,429
censorship it's almost like

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01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:32,440
self-censorship it may not be doing

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01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:34,900
being done deliberately or consciously

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01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:37,260
but it still comes down to

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01:11:42,209 --> 01:11:40,239
self-censorship and you know I don't

1727
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:42,219
think the other disturbing thing is a

1728
01:11:46,890 --> 01:11:44,710
lot of the major news outlets you know

1729
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:46,900
rather than report in the news they

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01:11:52,650 --> 01:11:48,489
reported according to what political

1731
01:11:55,050 --> 01:11:52,660
bias they are you know the news really

1732
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:55,060
should be about reporting the news not

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01:12:01,740 --> 01:11:57,730
put in one party spin on the news you

1734
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:01,750
know the news should be independent but

1735
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:04,719
it's not but the problem here with the

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01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:07,150
news is you see at one time and this

1737
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:08,920
goes back to the days I was a broadcast

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01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:12,090
news man the news was a public service

1739
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,500
you weren't meant to make a profit from

1740
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:16,800
it especially here in the US you

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01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:19,449
broadcast news as part of your license

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01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:23,050
requirements and you had to present

1743
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:25,930
information fairly cover all sides of an

1744
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:28,410
issue that sort of thing and then and

1745
01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:32,530
this happened really in the 1980s and

1746
01:12:38,820 --> 01:12:36,070
Beyond where there was less control by

1747
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:38,830
the FCC over the licensing requirements

1748
01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:43,270
and the news departments were becoming

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01:12:48,570 --> 01:12:46,300
profit centers the entertainment

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01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:48,580
divisions realize well we can make money

1751
01:12:54,540 --> 01:12:51,490
from news a lot of ratings we sell ads

1752
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:54,550
and that has even if it's not a

1753
01:12:59,070 --> 01:12:56,890
conscious influence certainly a

1754
01:13:03,390 --> 01:12:59,080
subconscious influence on where the news

1755
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:03,400
takes the store is from and we have for

1756
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:07,450
example famously the largest cable news

1757
01:13:11,670 --> 01:13:09,940
network in the United States we all know

1758
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:11,680
who that is is owned by the

1759
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:14,830
entertainment division of a large

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01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:19,530
corporation okay it's meant to entertain

1761
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:22,030
but that's the real problem here we

1762
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:23,530
don't know what's really going on in the

1763
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:25,780
world because we're seeing the news

1764
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:28,920
slanted to entertain you to provoke you

1765
01:13:35,940 --> 01:13:32,590
to get you to keep watching so they get

1766
01:13:37,290 --> 01:13:35,950
ratings and they sell ads well you know

1767
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:37,300
I mean again that tells us a lot about

1768
01:13:42,060 --> 01:13:39,070
the state of the world but I mean things

1769
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:42,070
can you know things can change radically

1770
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:44,230
you know over time I mean who would have

1771
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,260
thought 30 years ago the you know

1772
01:13:52,350 --> 01:13:49,600
today's kids wouldn't be outside playing

1773
01:13:54,210 --> 01:13:52,360
on the bikes you know they instead

1774
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:54,220
they're sitting out how I'm texting

1775
01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:56,770
getting fat and diabetic and not leaving

1776
01:13:59,940 --> 01:13:58,690
the house you wouldn't believe that

1777
01:14:01,860 --> 01:13:59,950
because they would look back at history

1778
01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:01,870
and say well kids have always gone out

1779
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,030
on the bikes and fall enough and graze

1780
01:14:08,190 --> 01:14:06,400
our knees and build camps and you know

1781
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:08,200
that kind of thing that we all did as

1782
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:11,170
kids you wouldn't be able to foresee

1783
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:12,910
that happening so it's not impossible

1784
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:15,610
that 20 or 30 years from now we're

1785
01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:17,590
seeing doom and gloom it's gonna get

1786
01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:20,200
worse again something totally unforeseen

1787
01:14:24,570 --> 01:14:22,900
could happen as weird not like the

1788
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:24,580
internet which changed you know the

1789
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:26,950
planets that's something unforeseen that

1790
01:14:33,570 --> 01:14:31,180
also radical to society but that may you

1791
01:14:36,450 --> 01:14:33,580
know change things with them from how

1792
01:14:38,690 --> 01:14:36,460
they are right now the fact that

1793
01:14:41,490 --> 01:14:38,700
so plugged in to the world these days

1794
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:41,500
from our smartphones to our tablets to

1795
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:45,040
our computers even TV and even radio

1796
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:48,130
we're so plugged in here does that also

1797
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:51,730
make us more vulnerable to influence by

1798
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:54,130
people who don't have our best interests

1799
01:14:56,910 --> 01:14:55,510
at heart I mean if kids can go outside

1800
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,920
and play that's one thing it's an

1801
01:15:00,780 --> 01:14:58,960
individual activity or group activity

1802
01:15:04,020 --> 01:15:00,790
but they're plugged into the entire

1803
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:04,030
world that enables the possibility of

1804
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,330
control mass control well yeah it does I

1805
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:10,560
mean you know I mean a few years ago

1806
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:13,570
everybody not everybody obviously but

1807
01:15:17,940 --> 01:15:15,489
you know you had this subculture in the

1808
01:15:19,670 --> 01:15:17,950
conspiracy research field that oh you

1809
01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:19,680
know there's gonna be some big emergency

1810
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:21,880
and the government's going to said we've

1811
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:23,770
all got to have implants you know

1812
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:26,280
tracking devices that kind of thing and

1813
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:29,770
everybody was in an uproar but everybody

1814
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:31,510
has been implanted with tracking devices

1815
01:15:35,370 --> 01:15:32,890
they're called iPhones

1816
01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:35,380
you know but nobody creates an uproar

1817
01:15:39,690 --> 01:15:37,180
that everywhere they go

1818
01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:39,700
every single movement can be monitored

1819
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:42,160
every social activity online can be

1820
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:44,410
monitored that's basically the same as

1821
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:45,910
having the chip in your arm that

1822
01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:48,070
everybody was getting up in arms about

1823
01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:51,460
in the conspiracy realm you know they're

1824
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:53,860
not saying that about the iPhone but is

1825
01:15:59,580 --> 01:15:56,110
the worrying thing they are willingly

1826
01:16:01,709 --> 01:15:59,590
and knowingly carrying the iPhone around

1827
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:01,719
and upgrading it when the new one comes

1828
01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:06,489
out so in other words you know you

1829
01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:08,830
haven't yeah this sort of clash of

1830
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:11,230
scenarios where somebody's up you know

1831
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:13,450
for that one thing and then doesn't even

1832
01:16:16,530 --> 01:16:14,650
bring the other one up but it's

1833
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,540
basically the same scenario which does

1834
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:18,880
provoke you know the whole issue of

1835
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:21,610
control and manipulation but the more

1836
01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:24,190
cool stuff that goes online the more

1837
01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:25,900
people get attracted to it and the more

1838
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:28,780
time they spend doing it we have Nick

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01:16:39,340 --> 01:16:30,730
Redfern Kurt Collins is our guest

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01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:43,260
thank you for listening to GCN

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built-in radio chip called RFID I felt

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happen to broadcast my personal

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information was an invasion of privacy

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soon after it was also announced that

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credit cards debit cards US passports

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hotel room keys and even transit passes

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would also incorporate RFID it was then

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I formed ID stronghold to share my

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inventions at blocking RFID signals with

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the world there are a lot of

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misconceptions out there today about

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RFID I encourage everyone to get

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informed and get protected please

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Aiki stronghold calm and get the facts

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cable bill going up and up and i'll do

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better digital satellite TV looks say

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goodbye to the cable guy and get more of

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your favorite shows pause and rewind

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live TV even skip the commercials watch

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local channels too at just $19.99 what

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01:20:03,149 --> 01:20:01,389
are you waiting for

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pull out your major credit or debit card

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call 1-800 5 mighty b18 55 905 my TV say

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goodbye to the cable guy cut costs and

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01:20:21,629 --> 01:20:17,409
get more 1 855 905 my TV 1 855 905 my TV

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01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,639
Oh $10,000 or more to the IRS get

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01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:24,400
onboard with the touch don't take on the

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IRS alone I'll cut penalties and reduce

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01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:29,440
your overall tax bill sometimes I can

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01:20:33,979 --> 01:20:31,530
even get it zeroed out completely

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01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:33,989
we ran a weighted company helping people

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01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:36,320
clean up their mess with the IRS you owe

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$10,000 or more than call the tax

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one eight zero again that's 802 eight

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:20:46,110
seven seven one eight zero 802 eight

1945
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:06,690
seven seven one eight zero now in our

1946
01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:08,130
previous segment Nick Redfern was

1947
01:21:12,020 --> 01:21:09,510
talking about the fact that we're all

1948
01:21:14,569 --> 01:21:12,030
kind of connected we all have to get the

1949
01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:14,579
latest iPhone fact we're doing this show

1950
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:16,980
on the very weekend that the new iPhones

1951
01:21:21,169 --> 01:21:19,440
are being sold but you know what let me

1952
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:21,179
raise one thing here because I want to

1953
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,489
move to other topics Nick Redfern about

1954
01:21:29,089 --> 01:21:25,920
control Apple has gone one step further

1955
01:21:32,660 --> 01:21:29,099
with a product called Apple watch it

1956
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,670
goes on your wrist it has sensors to

1957
01:21:37,279 --> 01:21:34,800
pick up your bodily functions of course

1958
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:37,289
that's for fitness tracking obviously if

1959
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:38,730
you go out for a rather if you're just

1960
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:40,739
sitting there and suddenly maybe your

1961
01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:43,409
pulse is too fast or too slow it's

1962
01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:44,820
picking up all that thing it's giving

1963
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:47,550
you signals by the taptic engine which

1964
01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:49,800
you know if you press something or do

1965
01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:52,739
something you feel a little sensation

1966
01:21:58,490 --> 01:21:54,329
like something's clicking on your wrist

1967
01:22:01,100 --> 01:21:58,500
okay doesn't that really convey the

1968
01:22:03,169 --> 01:22:01,110
possibility of an amazing amount of

1969
01:22:04,069 --> 01:22:03,179
control we're sticking that thing on our

1970
01:22:06,620 --> 01:22:04,079
wrist

1971
01:22:08,779 --> 01:22:06,630
let's get paranoid well yeah I mean it

1972
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:08,789
does and I'm quite sure that you know in

1973
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:09,719
the near future

1974
01:22:14,270 --> 01:22:11,880
you know it'll become sort of more

1975
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:14,280
fashionable where you wear something

1976
01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:15,719
like that and it'll contain all your

1977
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:17,340
passwords for this and that you know you

1978
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:19,650
just scan your wrist in front of your

1979
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:22,110
laptop that kind of thing you know I'm

1980
01:22:26,270 --> 01:22:24,090
sure all that's going to happen and the

1981
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:26,280
problem is of course the more that the

1982
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:27,780
newer generations come along they'll

1983
01:22:33,140 --> 01:22:30,570
have known no difference and you know

1984
01:22:35,299 --> 01:22:33,150
it's more easy I think to have control

1985
01:22:37,250 --> 01:22:35,309
over those people but I mean you know I

1986
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,260
have to have people say to me that you

1987
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:39,420
know that's bleak and nobody ever does

1988
01:22:43,339 --> 01:22:41,130
anything everybody sits at home and does

1989
01:22:44,959 --> 01:22:43,349
this well now they don't you know you

1990
01:22:45,379 --> 01:22:44,969
just do what I do you make a conscious

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01:22:53,899 --> 01:22:45,389
to

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01:22:55,819 --> 01:22:53,909
a writer but nice you know and listen

1993
01:22:58,850 --> 01:22:55,829
doing radio like tonight I take nights

1994
01:23:01,370 --> 01:22:58,860
off take weekends up you know for me up

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01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:01,380
five to five o'clock on a you know an

1996
01:23:07,069 --> 01:23:04,380
afternoon and every weekend it's either

1997
01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:07,079
taking a girlfriend out to see a band or

1998
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:09,630
you know big into soccer i watch a lot

1999
01:23:16,759 --> 01:23:14,010
of soccer or going out to see like a gig

2000
01:23:18,770 --> 01:23:16,769
or whatever hanging out with friends and

2001
01:23:20,389 --> 01:23:18,780
having a good time you know I do the

2002
01:23:23,209 --> 01:23:20,399
things I've always done because for me

2003
01:23:25,429 --> 01:23:23,219
you know sitting at home texting someone

2004
01:23:28,549 --> 01:23:25,439
how are you well that to me that's not

2005
01:23:30,469 --> 01:23:28,559
fun I use a cell phone for work and I go

2006
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:30,479
out and have a social life you know it's

2007
01:23:35,569 --> 01:23:32,249
not like we're being banned from leaving

2008
01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:35,579
the house it's painful choice not to do

2009
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:37,289
this or not to do that because it's

2010
01:23:43,009 --> 01:23:40,110
easier to sit at home and text you know

2011
01:23:45,649 --> 01:23:43,019
and so a lot of it is down to it's

2012
01:23:48,529 --> 01:23:45,659
actually down to people's choice but if

2013
01:23:51,139 --> 01:23:48,539
your choice is to sit at home texting

2014
01:23:52,969 --> 01:23:51,149
well good luck you know I don't care but

2015
01:23:55,489 --> 01:23:52,979
it's like to me that's not living a life

2016
01:23:58,069 --> 01:23:55,499
you know well I know when my son comes

2017
01:24:01,310 --> 01:23:58,079
to America he lives in Spain he comes to

2018
01:24:03,229 --> 01:24:01,320
America to visit us it quite often he

2019
01:24:03,939 --> 01:24:03,239
arrives in the plane maybe we'll then go

2020
01:24:06,799 --> 01:24:03,949
for dinner

2021
01:24:10,759 --> 01:24:06,809
before he goes home and he takes his

2022
01:24:12,529 --> 01:24:10,769
iPhone out and he's texting all this

2023
01:24:14,540 --> 01:24:12,539
stuff was considered science fiction a

2024
01:24:16,699 --> 01:24:14,550
short while ago and it was going to

2025
01:24:23,089 --> 01:24:16,709
expand our horizons and I have people

2026
01:24:24,979 --> 01:24:23,099
sit alone in rooms would drive me insane

2027
01:24:27,259 --> 01:24:24,989
if I was in that position you know for

2028
01:24:28,909 --> 01:24:27,269
me you know like I said I mean big into

2029
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:28,919
soccer I'd go at least you know I'd say

2030
01:24:34,219 --> 01:24:31,169
at least two soccer games a week on TV

2031
01:24:35,779 --> 01:24:34,229
and I probably watch a live soccer game

2032
01:24:38,569 --> 01:24:35,789
you like in the Dallas Fort Worth area

2033
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:38,579
weathers like teams probably once every

2034
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:41,489
two weeks you know for me that's that's

2035
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:43,320
living you know spore that's my big

2036
01:24:48,589 --> 01:24:45,570
thing soccer again like I said nobody's

2037
01:24:53,509 --> 01:24:48,599
forced to do any of this but people do

2038
01:24:55,939 --> 01:24:53,519
you know in the same way that people can

2039
01:24:58,700 --> 01:24:55,949
take the view that watching everybody

2040
01:25:00,440 --> 01:24:58,710
social media is outrageous or they can

2041
01:25:02,990 --> 01:25:00,450
just sit back and say oh well it's just

2042
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,000
a state to the world you know I've just

2043
01:25:06,860 --> 01:25:05,040
got to put up with its people

2044
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,870
Pete's People's Choice like I said

2045
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:08,719
that's the disturbing thing there's no

2046
01:25:13,459 --> 01:25:11,130
jackbooted people banging on the doors

2047
01:25:15,860 --> 01:25:13,469
in like Spain or France or anywhere

2048
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:15,870
telling you to do this or that people

2049
01:25:20,750 --> 01:25:18,780
are making their minds up not to let the

2050
01:25:23,180 --> 01:25:20,760
kids out you know and the kids

2051
01:25:23,780 --> 01:25:23,190
themselves are making the mind of hey

2052
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:23,790
Dad

2053
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:25,290
I don't want to bike for Christmas after

2054
01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:27,810
all you know I want something that's you

2055
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:29,940
know where ensure that stay in the

2056
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:33,210
bedroom longer I want that new iPhone 6s

2057
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:37,920
plus yeah well you know UFO fans are

2058
01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:41,520
really out of this I mean the you can't

2059
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:43,860
sky watch indoors you know I guess you

2060
01:25:47,630 --> 01:25:45,450
could set up a camera but you know

2061
01:25:49,580 --> 01:25:47,640
you're missing it I think we need to

2062
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:49,590
have some kind of campaign of

2063
01:25:53,870 --> 01:25:52,170
off-the-grid fun and we'll look at Nick

2064
01:25:58,729 --> 01:25:53,880
as a model of Sarkar's not your thing

2065
01:26:02,540 --> 01:25:58,739
you do something else but just you know

2066
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:02,550
it's I mean it's also sort of you know

2067
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:04,920
ties in with with health issues as well

2068
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:07,530
I mean look at the rise around the world

2069
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,500
in things like obesity and diabetes in

2070
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:12,239
young you know young kids in the last

2071
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:14,580
few years it's grown incredible levels

2072
01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:17,690
and and a lot of that is just due to

2073
01:26:25,580 --> 01:26:22,310
inability you know lethargic behavior

2074
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:25,590
when are besides you know to when when I

2075
01:26:29,690 --> 01:26:26,880
was at school you know how to play

2076
01:26:31,459 --> 01:26:29,700
soccer the best school and rugby and you

2077
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:31,469
know and I still play a bit of soccer

2078
01:26:38,630 --> 01:26:36,930
down again now but you know that's this

2079
01:26:41,150 --> 01:26:38,640
is one of the downsides as well he's

2080
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:41,160
doing nothing means you start to get

2081
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:45,780
sick yes let's take a voyage the men in

2082
01:26:51,620 --> 01:26:49,010
black the Galaxy defenders this is the

2083
01:26:53,959 --> 01:26:51,630
second book we'll talk about on the show

2084
01:26:55,670 --> 01:26:53,969
and you've got the title here men in

2085
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,680
black personal stories and eerie

2086
01:26:59,870 --> 01:26:57,840
adventures so we've been talking about

2087
01:27:02,209 --> 01:26:59,880
men in black since the early 50s when

2088
01:27:05,450 --> 01:27:02,219
grey bakker wrote the book they knew too

2089
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:05,460
much about flying saucers which focused

2090
01:27:10,330 --> 01:27:07,920
at the beginning on the late Albert

2091
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:10,340
bender and where he supposedly was

2092
01:27:14,590 --> 01:27:12,050
confronted by three

2093
01:27:16,660 --> 01:27:14,600
in dark suits or black suits when he

2094
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:16,670
allegedly found out too much about UFOs

2095
01:27:21,820 --> 01:27:18,790
but the question here is Nick Redfern

2096
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:21,830
was there new and different about men in

2097
01:27:25,390 --> 01:27:23,930
black to report about well there's

2098
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:25,400
always plenty to report about I mean

2099
01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:27,770
this book is actually my third book on

2100
01:27:31,060 --> 01:27:29,030
the men in black the first one was

2101
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:31,070
called on the trail of a source of spies

2102
01:27:35,140 --> 01:27:32,810
and second one was the real man in black

2103
01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:35,150
and this is just man in black not to say

2104
01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:36,500
that these aren't real as well but

2105
01:27:42,370 --> 01:27:38,150
you've got to come up with a different

2106
01:27:44,710 --> 01:27:42,380
title for each one but in fact probably

2107
01:27:46,660 --> 01:27:44,720
is my favorite thing to write about you

2108
01:27:48,490 --> 01:27:46,670
know and I've done dozens of articles on

2109
01:27:50,620 --> 01:27:48,500
it as well I get tons of reports from

2110
01:27:52,660 --> 01:27:50,630
people which you know is inevitable if

2111
01:27:55,330 --> 01:27:52,670
you ride on a particular subject people

2112
01:27:57,010 --> 01:27:55,340
read about it they contact you but you

2113
01:27:59,230 --> 01:27:57,020
know people have this image of the men

2114
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,240
in black Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith

2115
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:01,280
and you know that's about as far away as

2116
01:28:05,620 --> 01:28:03,890
you can get from the real men in black

2117
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:05,630
stories I mean for the most part they're

2118
01:28:12,580 --> 01:28:08,960
sort of weird creepy little skinny guys

2119
01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:12,590
with pale faces and ill-fitting clothes

2120
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:14,990
and you know they act in a weird fashion

2121
01:28:18,970 --> 01:28:17,210
and very very strange

2122
01:28:20,860 --> 01:28:18,980
I mean I've looked into a lot of these

2123
01:28:22,510 --> 01:28:20,870
cases and people just sell this is just

2124
01:28:25,060 --> 01:28:22,520
this is just nonsense you know it

2125
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:25,070
couldn't be these people just making

2126
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:27,290
this stuff up but I really don't think

2127
01:28:32,260 --> 01:28:30,110
they are I get so many weird cases from

2128
01:28:34,330 --> 01:28:32,270
just people who don't have that much

2129
01:28:36,820 --> 01:28:34,340
interest but they read something about

2130
01:28:38,770 --> 01:28:36,830
they're like wow that's very similar to

2131
01:28:41,620 --> 01:28:38,780
something happened to me 25 years ago or

2132
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,630
whatever and they contact you but I mean

2133
01:28:45,130 --> 01:28:43,520
a lot of these many black stories this

2134
01:28:48,370 --> 01:28:45,140
is some something a lot of people don't

2135
01:28:50,860 --> 01:28:48,380
realize a lot of the stories I get it

2136
01:28:53,460 --> 01:28:50,870
almost sounds like suspiciously like the

2137
01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:53,470
an intriguing Lee like the witness

2138
01:28:58,270 --> 01:28:55,490
experience the man in black and

2139
01:29:00,100 --> 01:28:58,280
countering like an altered state you

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men in black personal stories and eerie

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adventures and this is eerie go on Nick

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well yeah just talk about this guy Peter

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Burke man there's actually a bit of a

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celebrity in many respects he drove his

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things like this like Street Fighter and

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wrote a book called dead Hollywood and

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he he had this experience with a lot of

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men in black in the late 60s after him

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and offended taken mescaline and while

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they were watching roles in his baby I

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actually said the sacrifice sex I meant

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the black mask track came on whenever

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listening to the to the soundtrack and

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they both experienced these two weird

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paleface creepy MIB and the sort that

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kale used to write about in things like

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and when you I get so many stories like

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this where there's sort of like a shift

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in the atmosphere and the person's mind

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doesn't feel quite right and then they

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have this odd experience with the MIB

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and it's almost as if it occurred in

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parallel can think of would be in the

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that you know there's there is a real

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to not you know the Tommy Lee Jones Will

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Smith secret government group or black

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budget agency running around threatening

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people it's far more weird or more in

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many respects more subtle and more way

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out than that now looking over these men

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in black over the years a lot of the

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cases we heard about that became stuff

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of legend occurred decades ago so in all

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the cases that you explored over men and

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black covering three books now anything

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in the last 10 years that you could

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report they're significant oh yeah I

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mean I would say a good 75 percent of

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the cases in the book are recent cases

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you know I mean I've got one from

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Gibraltar in Gibraltar in City Cyprus in

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2013

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I've got other cases the latest one I've

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got in the book is 2014 and and I get a

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lot of up-to-date stores it's not as

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people think just you know something

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from when bender and Barker and kale and

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many just vaguely into the seventies now

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I mean the reports today are the same

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you get the white face little guys

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shuffling around the fedoras people

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letting them in late at night and you

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know feeling that they're almost like

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their willpower was gone when they let

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them in there in the house that kind of

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thing who's going to let three

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creepy-looking five what's all dieting

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fedoras in your house at midnight now

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someone's gonna do that but people say

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they do and so you know the book itself

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is probably about 22 case reports and

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then there's sort of nine or ten papers

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from people in ufology like David

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Weatherly who talks about parallels

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between the men in black and this

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controversial

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black-eyed children-- phenomenon and

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then somebody else a sauna for talks

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about the men in black versus the shadow

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people so in other words this part of it

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is sort of researchers in the field

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offering their views on ways to try and

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explain or rationalize parts of this

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phenomenon so basically the original

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meme of men in black being possible

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government agents we throw that all out

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the window of course we go back to hello

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if we go back to Albert bender he wrote

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a book called flying saucers in the

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three men where the men in black were

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really et yeah I mean well bender story

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is an interesting one because a lot of

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people just say you know he was like a

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dis fantasies I don't even know these

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but he lived in an attic in this old

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house in Bridgeport Connecticut he

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actually created an altar to try and in

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the Attic to try and summon up

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supernatural entities which is you know

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probably not a good thing to do oh yeah

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I had a lot of experience in the occult

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and I know the backlash that people can

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have when they gobble into all this

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stuff but that's you know that's an

2404
01:40:30,380 --> 01:40:27,510
entirely different show

2405
01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:30,390
but bender had you know he converted

2406
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,800
this attic into what he called his

2407
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,080
chamber of horrors and he had paintings

2408
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:36,480
all around the walls of demons and gene

2409
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:39,930
and all sorts of things and and then lo

2410
01:40:45,890 --> 01:40:43,920
and behold these weird MIB manifested in

2411
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:45,900
his room they were like shadowy glowing

2412
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:48,690
eyes and had this older of brimstone

2413
01:40:55,370 --> 01:40:52,770
about them and you know everything

2414
01:40:58,190 --> 01:40:55,380
started to go wrong in his life and you

2415
01:40:59,810 --> 01:40:58,200
know this is if a lot of the story in

2416
01:41:02,870 --> 01:40:59,820
flying saucers in the three men that he

2417
01:41:05,930 --> 01:41:02,880
wrote it comes off like bad sci-fi but I

2418
01:41:07,940 --> 01:41:05,940
think there's enough data and something

2419
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:07,950
quite subtle to suggest that he did have

2420
01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:11,250
some bizarre experiences now whether

2421
01:41:14,810 --> 01:41:13,020
they had an external component that's a

2422
01:41:17,300 --> 01:41:14,820
big question but I think a lot of them

2423
01:41:20,330 --> 01:41:17,310
happen to him internally almost in like

2424
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:20,340
a visionary state but again the big

2425
01:41:24,170 --> 01:41:21,930
question is how much was the product of

2426
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:24,180
his mind how much was something being

2427
01:41:30,050 --> 01:41:27,810
projected into his mind if you like but

2428
01:41:31,190 --> 01:41:30,060
it wasn't a case I don't think of you

2429
01:41:33,650 --> 01:41:31,200
know people

2430
01:41:36,440 --> 01:41:33,660
banging on the door and coming in the

2431
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:36,450
room I would even barter himself once

2432
01:41:40,820 --> 01:41:38,520
said that you know he actually wondered

2433
01:41:43,730 --> 01:41:40,830
if he was in if he'd been in the room

2434
01:41:45,020 --> 01:41:43,740
when bender was having his experiences

2435
01:41:46,780 --> 01:41:45,030
if bender would actually been sort of

2436
01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:46,790
laying on the bed staring at the ceiling

2437
01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:49,710
kind of in and out of its state you know

2438
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:52,950
not lying or fantasizing but just you

2439
01:41:58,460 --> 01:41:54,810
know his brain in just some reworked

2440
01:42:01,010 --> 01:41:58,470
state if you're like well point here is

2441
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:01,020
that the book flying saucers in the

2442
01:42:06,260 --> 01:42:03,330
three men was published by grey Barker

2443
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:06,270
grey Barker very likely heavily edited

2444
01:42:10,730 --> 01:42:08,100
that book so I don't know how much he

2445
01:42:13,340 --> 01:42:10,740
altered from the original I will also

2446
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:13,350
say that I did see Albert bender lecture

2447
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:17,040
on that story from that book and one of

2448
01:42:22,190 --> 01:42:19,170
Jim Mosley's meetings in the mid-1960s

2449
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:22,200
and I should point out here is that

2450
01:42:27,410 --> 01:42:24,000
after the lecture we all went out to

2451
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:27,420
dinner bender myself Jim Mosely Jim's

2452
01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:30,090
ex-wife Sandra was with him and she

2453
01:42:35,690 --> 01:42:31,860
prided herself as being kind of an

2454
01:42:38,060 --> 01:42:35,700
amateur psychologist and her observation

2455
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:38,070
is after talking to bender not just

2456
01:42:43,220 --> 01:42:39,330
listening to his lecture but just

2457
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:43,230
talking to him informally in relaxed

2458
01:42:46,850 --> 01:42:44,370
surroundings over dinner

2459
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:46,860
she thought he had issues just to point

2460
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:49,170
that out well you know it's interesting

2461
01:42:53,930 --> 01:42:51,810
you say that because I mean one of the

2462
01:42:56,060 --> 01:42:53,940
things I did during the research into

2463
01:42:58,280 --> 01:42:56,070
the first book I did I was sick in the

2464
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,290
second book the real man in black was to

2465
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:00,960
not just look at Bend a story but look

2466
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:04,110
at him as a person now its players look

2467
01:43:10,370 --> 01:43:07,650
I mean I actually got like a two-inch

2468
01:43:11,900 --> 01:43:10,380
thick file from a guy who previously in

2469
01:43:14,150 --> 01:43:11,910
the UFO subject who sent me all these

2470
01:43:16,370 --> 01:43:14,160
correspondence there was like an inch of

2471
01:43:19,190 --> 01:43:16,380
it was just correspondence with people

2472
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:19,200
in the 50s in the UFO field and most of

2473
01:43:22,610 --> 01:43:20,760
it was related to the man in black and

2474
01:43:25,730 --> 01:43:22,620
bender and actually got photo copies of

2475
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:25,740
some of benders original letters he sent

2476
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:27,690
out to people and it's clear you know he

2477
01:43:33,470 --> 01:43:30,930
was a very solitary character I mean he

2478
01:43:35,210 --> 01:43:33,480
talks about how he'd sort of fallen in

2479
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:35,220
love and met this English woman who's

2480
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:36,210
going to marry and he didn't know you

2481
01:43:39,130 --> 01:43:37,770
know they stayed married that a long

2482
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:39,140
happy marriage

2483
01:43:43,610 --> 01:43:41,520
and what's interesting is up until that

2484
01:43:45,020 --> 01:43:43,620
point you know he was dominated by all

2485
01:43:46,850 --> 01:43:45,030
this weird stuff and

2486
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:46,860
a cold stuff and everything went wrong

2487
01:43:50,930 --> 01:43:49,110
in his life he meets his girlfriend he

2488
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:50,940
gets married they have a normal life all

2489
01:43:57,290 --> 01:43:54,000
this stuff goes away you know so you can

2490
01:44:01,160 --> 01:43:57,300
make a case that bender you know an

2491
01:44:04,370 --> 01:44:01,170
isolated individual with all these you

2492
01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:04,380
know bizarre beliefs and scenarios and

2493
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,500
things going on may well have affected

2494
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:09,360
his mindset until he came out the other

2495
01:44:13,370 --> 01:44:11,250
side that's why I always tell people you

2496
01:44:17,180 --> 01:44:13,380
know it's important to have a normal

2497
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:17,190
life away from all this you know and

2498
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:18,960
it's weird because sometimes people

2499
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:20,730
actually find it strange when they say

2500
01:44:25,820 --> 01:44:23,520
did you see the new episode of ancient

2501
01:44:28,820 --> 01:44:25,830
aliens last night no I didn't more Winer

2502
01:44:30,350 --> 01:44:28,830
I was out watching a band oh you know

2503
01:44:32,690 --> 01:44:30,360
watching a band on the Friday night not

2504
01:44:35,330 --> 01:44:32,700
watching ancient aliens so cause I'm not

2505
01:44:37,370 --> 01:44:35,340
watching that or watching anger one you

2506
01:44:40,490 --> 01:44:37,380
know I do enough of that in the day

2507
01:44:42,890 --> 01:44:40,500
writing books I want to switch off and

2508
01:44:45,260 --> 01:44:42,900
Bend I don't think had an outlet to

2509
01:44:46,910 --> 01:44:45,270
switch off he's by sound emission you

2510
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,920
know he did all his UFO stuff in the day

2511
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:49,020
he lived in this attic with his

2512
01:44:53,780 --> 01:44:51,330
supernatural altar at night and at

2513
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:53,790
weekends isn't the only form of

2514
01:44:57,710 --> 01:44:56,010
entertainment was going to the cinema

2515
01:45:01,040 --> 01:44:57,720
and watching things like invasion of the

2516
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:01,050
Body Snatchers and this island earth and

2517
01:45:04,940 --> 01:45:04,410
whatever you know it was you can't live

2518
01:45:07,610 --> 01:45:04,950
like that

2519
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:07,620
another sane life you know I'll tell ya

2520
01:45:13,940 --> 01:45:11,760
okay that's Albert K bender we've got

2521
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:13,950
more to talk about with regard to men in

2522
01:45:17,900 --> 01:45:16,080
black with Nick Redfern she was written

2523
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:17,910
a new book on men in black Kurt

2524
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:20,730
Collins's are a guest co-host with Jean

2525
01:45:27,730 --> 01:45:32,540
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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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responding it took hours before it

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returned but I'd already placed the

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[Music]

2575
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:49,450
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2576
01:48:02,439 --> 01:47:53,770
standard of paranormal radio and now

2577
01:48:05,890 --> 01:48:02,449
here's Jane Steinberg now ahead of the

2578
01:48:07,959 --> 01:48:05,900
time that we did this show we asked our

2579
01:48:10,300 --> 01:48:07,969
listeners to participate in our question

2580
01:48:11,979 --> 01:48:10,310
Bank in our forums and forum drop the

2581
01:48:13,689 --> 01:48:11,989
power cast calm they've asked some

2582
01:48:16,090 --> 01:48:13,699
number of fascinating questions some

2583
01:48:17,260 --> 01:48:16,100
we've already mentioned particularly in

2584
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:17,270
the first part of the show we were

2585
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:19,040
talking about the bloodline of the gods

2586
01:48:23,770 --> 01:48:21,199
but Kurt Collins tells me there's a

2587
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:23,780
whole bunch of questions about men in

2588
01:48:27,580 --> 01:48:26,090
black there with Nick Redfern so Kurt

2589
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:27,590
why'd you bring some to our attention

2590
01:48:31,660 --> 01:48:29,449
well Nick's kind of thrown a curveball

2591
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:31,670
by talking about the origin the men in

2592
01:48:34,930 --> 01:48:32,960
black because a couple of these were

2593
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:34,940
about if there were humans so we're

2594
01:48:40,540 --> 01:48:37,010
gonna leave that behind but this one is

2595
01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:40,550
from burnt State and he asks the men in

2596
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:42,110
black are oddball characters in

2597
01:48:46,810 --> 01:48:44,480
out-of-town clothing strange mannerisms

2598
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:46,820
black cars etc like they're trapped in a

2599
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:49,370
50s gangster movie and he says are they

2600
01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:51,170
trying to fit in but failing miserably

2601
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,750
is this intentional or that did they not

2602
01:48:57,310 --> 01:48:55,760
get the fashion update you know what

2603
01:48:59,620 --> 01:48:57,320
about the appearance they've chosen

2604
01:49:02,110 --> 01:48:59,630
yeah well that's an interesting thing

2605
01:49:04,660 --> 01:49:02,120
and I mean you would imagine if somebody

2606
01:49:07,689 --> 01:49:04,670
wants to silence people on the UFO issue

2607
01:49:10,330 --> 01:49:07,699
they would go out of their way not to

2608
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:10,340
look conspicuous they whatever that was

2609
01:49:13,660 --> 01:49:11,449
the last you know the last thing they

2610
01:49:15,939 --> 01:49:13,670
would want to be that they do I go out

2611
01:49:17,860 --> 01:49:15,949
of their way to look memorable chilling

2612
01:49:20,050 --> 01:49:17,870
and weird you know you can look at it

2613
01:49:23,110 --> 01:49:20,060
from different perspectives maybe they

2614
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:23,120
do that because that whole imagery of

2615
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:24,650
like the black suits

2616
01:49:29,530 --> 01:49:27,770
the fedora you know the whole gangster

2617
01:49:31,959 --> 01:49:29,540
look that like you know that's the whole

2618
01:49:34,570 --> 01:49:31,969
sort of film noir look you know from 50s

2619
01:49:36,939 --> 01:49:34,580
gangster movies and shadowy streets and

2620
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:36,949
that kind of thing it obviously leaves

2621
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:38,690
an impression it's like almost like an

2622
01:49:42,430 --> 01:49:40,639
iconic image you think you know you can

2623
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:42,440
can't find going back to like country

2624
01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:44,449
Bogart movies and things like that

2625
01:49:49,390 --> 01:49:46,900
and I think it works in the sense that

2626
01:49:51,580 --> 01:49:49,400
it works better than just somebody

2627
01:49:54,010 --> 01:49:51,590
turning up in a suit or jeans and a

2628
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:54,020
t-shirt so I think part of it is done

2629
01:49:57,580 --> 01:49:55,130
for effect

2630
01:49:59,140 --> 01:49:57,590
but in saying that if we're looking at

2631
01:50:01,500 --> 01:49:59,150
something where as I said in some of

2632
01:50:03,879 --> 01:50:01,510
these cases that clearly seems to be a

2633
01:50:05,950 --> 01:50:03,889
psychological angle not where I think

2634
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:05,960
people are you know crazy nuts or

2635
01:50:10,060 --> 01:50:07,610
fabricated II but where there's some

2636
01:50:12,370 --> 01:50:10,070
almost like an altered state situation

2637
01:50:14,530 --> 01:50:12,380
going on it's almost as if like I

2638
01:50:16,419 --> 01:50:14,540
mentioned earlier on perhaps this

2639
01:50:18,370 --> 01:50:16,429
phenomena whatever the UFO phenomena

2640
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:18,380
needs are genuinely unexplained part of

2641
01:50:24,010 --> 01:50:21,650
it may be manifest in certain specific

2642
01:50:28,209 --> 01:50:24,020
archetypes and perhaps one of those is

2643
01:50:30,580 --> 01:50:28,219
this sort of shadowy weird fedora

2644
01:50:32,770 --> 01:50:30,590
wearing entity I mean you can find very

2645
01:50:34,689 --> 01:50:32,780
similar things to the men in black I

2646
01:50:37,419 --> 01:50:34,699
mean one of them is a more like a

2647
01:50:38,770 --> 01:50:37,429
ghostly phenomena called the Hat man you

2648
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:38,780
know books have been written about this

2649
01:50:42,370 --> 01:50:40,370
and they look like the men in black but

2650
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:42,380
they're sort of like these so-called

2651
01:50:46,270 --> 01:50:44,000
shadow people that people talk about

2652
01:50:48,580 --> 01:50:46,280
like a silhouette of a man in black but

2653
01:50:51,010 --> 01:50:48,590
wearing a fedora you know you can find a

2654
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:51,020
lot of parallels and are overtones so I

2655
01:50:55,180 --> 01:50:53,330
think to sort of come back to the

2656
01:50:58,660 --> 01:50:55,190
question I don't think they're not

2657
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:58,670
deliberately unable to blend in I think

2658
01:51:03,399 --> 01:51:00,800
it's the nature of the phenomenon but

2659
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:03,409
that's how it manifests regardless you

2660
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,840
know it has no reason or rhyme when it

2661
01:51:10,570 --> 01:51:07,760
comes to time frames fashions or

2662
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:10,580
anything else that is what it is but the

2663
01:51:14,890 --> 01:51:12,159
big question is what is it is it

2664
01:51:16,899 --> 01:51:14,900
internally to the external its internal

2665
01:51:19,660 --> 01:51:16,909
why do everyone why does everybody sort

2666
01:51:22,450 --> 01:51:19,670
of report this same archetypal imagery

2667
01:51:23,530 --> 01:51:22,460
if it's external you know why did it

2668
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pick up on that

2669
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,250
you know maybe picked up on the

2670
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subconscious angle of the more we

2671
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believe in the men in black you know the

2672
01:51:34,510 --> 01:51:31,100
more that it manifests in that fashion

2673
01:51:36,939 --> 01:51:34,520
maybe that explains why you know the UFO

2674
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phenomenon changes so much well but we

2675
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:39,500
stress specific archetypes like you know

2676
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we have the phantom airships then we

2677
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have the foe fight of the ghost Rockets

2678
01:51:47,470 --> 01:51:45,260
flying saucer then flying triangles and

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with the entities we have the space

2680
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brothers then we have Harry Joss and we

2681
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had the greys then the reptilians you

2682
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:54,949
know people sometimes say to me well

2683
01:51:59,080 --> 01:51:56,960
they're skeptical they say well you know

2684
01:52:00,610 --> 01:51:59,090
these these certain forms they're

2685
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:00,620
changing all the time so it's got to be

2686
01:52:05,260 --> 01:52:03,110
just people's imagination what if it is

2687
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:05,270
and what if it's the phenomena changing

2688
01:52:10,910 --> 01:52:08,250
or creating certain rigid archetypes

2689
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:10,920
as our views change and maybe the men in

2690
01:52:14,750 --> 01:52:12,330
black or one of them you know so they're

2691
01:52:17,170 --> 01:52:14,760
permanently in that mode of the old

2692
01:52:19,730 --> 01:52:17,180
style clothing and fedora when they

2693
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appear or materialize however you want

2694
01:52:24,830 --> 01:52:22,320
to word it are we somehow bringing the

2695
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:24,840
men in black to us as opposed to being

2696
01:52:29,540 --> 01:52:27,000
confronted by them well that's actually

2697
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:29,550
a good point the idea that you know we

2698
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:32,130
see something and then as a result you

2699
01:52:36,350 --> 01:52:34,170
know perhaps we put the thoughts out

2700
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,360
sometimes people think oh what am I

2701
01:52:39,740 --> 01:52:38,400
gonna get visited by the government you

2702
01:52:42,410 --> 01:52:39,750
know that kind of thing I don't think

2703
01:52:44,990 --> 01:52:42,420
that happens a lot however I don't think

2704
01:52:47,420 --> 01:52:45,000
there's no doubt that in my view the

2705
01:52:50,210 --> 01:52:47,430
vast majority in many black cases aren't

2706
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:50,220
based around flattening the person for

2707
01:52:54,860 --> 01:52:51,810
the sake of threatening them it's almost

2708
01:52:57,230 --> 01:52:54,870
like a stage plays being played out for

2709
01:52:59,660 --> 01:52:57,240
the benefit of the person so the men in

2710
01:53:01,940 --> 01:52:59,670
black they're actors and almost as if

2711
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:01,950
they're not really self-aware you know

2712
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:03,930
it's like they're players in a like a

2713
01:53:08,570 --> 01:53:06,330
computer game or something where they're

2714
01:53:10,130 --> 01:53:08,580
inserted into the game you but they

2715
01:53:13,730 --> 01:53:10,140
become part of the game but they're not

2716
01:53:16,490 --> 01:53:13,740
actually living self-aware entities and

2717
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:16,500
you could find that in so many men in

2718
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,020
black stories where time and again you

2719
01:53:23,900 --> 01:53:21,840
see clearly that the experience is not

2720
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:23,910
based around somebody knocking on the

2721
01:53:27,740 --> 01:53:25,530
door and coming around to threaten the

2722
01:53:30,140 --> 01:53:27,750
person the threat is part of it but it's

2723
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:30,150
like a charade it's like the whole thing

2724
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:32,730
is played out for the not on the benefit

2725
01:53:37,070 --> 01:53:34,890
of the man in black to achieve an aim of

2726
01:53:39,170 --> 01:53:37,080
silence them it's being done for the

2727
01:53:41,450 --> 01:53:39,180
benefit of the witness for reasons we

2728
01:53:43,940 --> 01:53:41,460
don't really understand it is like a big

2729
01:53:47,660 --> 01:53:43,950
stage play going on we had a question

2730
01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:47,670
from from Specter 73 and he wanted to

2731
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:50,670
know if cultural specifics influenced

2732
01:53:54,530 --> 01:53:52,410
accounts of men in black from state to

2733
01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:54,540
state or country to country and are the

2734
01:53:59,300 --> 01:53:56,340
reports of the phenomena for countries

2735
01:54:02,410 --> 01:53:59,310
such as India Africa or China what's a

2736
01:54:05,380 --> 01:54:02,420
good question in terms of the first part

2737
01:54:07,790 --> 01:54:05,390
what I found is that there are certain

2738
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:07,800
interesting issues that you know

2739
01:54:12,380 --> 01:54:10,770
culturally are different for example in

2740
01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:12,390
the u.s. you know the man in black

2741
01:54:16,610 --> 01:54:14,520
typically are seen in these old-style

2742
01:54:18,170 --> 01:54:16,620
Cadillac cars you know it's one of these

2743
01:54:20,810 --> 01:54:18,180
cool-looking ones with a sharp thin

2744
01:54:22,190 --> 01:54:20,820
tails and things like that so you have

2745
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:22,200
those now

2746
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:24,330
I've got some cases and this gets into

2747
01:54:27,470 --> 01:54:25,920
really bizarre territory where people

2748
01:54:29,150 --> 01:54:27,480
have said they've seen these cars and

2749
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,160
that's sort of like faded away in the

2750
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:31,440
street you know as if that was part of a

2751
01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:34,590
vision now in England the men in black a

2752
01:54:37,220 --> 01:54:35,940
lot of them are very similar they're

2753
01:54:39,140 --> 01:54:37,230
sort of creepy weird and they ask

2754
01:54:41,630 --> 01:54:39,150
strange questions and they you know they

2755
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:41,640
dress odd and they look art but they in

2756
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:44,610
England they drive black Jaguar cars you

2757
01:54:48,470 --> 01:54:46,770
know you don't see Cadillacs in the UK

2758
01:54:50,930 --> 01:54:48,480
which is understandable but you know so

2759
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:50,940
you do have sort of geographical

2760
01:54:56,780 --> 01:54:54,090
differences now in terms of location

2761
01:54:58,010 --> 01:54:56,790
it's an anomaly in relation to the

2762
01:55:00,850 --> 01:54:58,020
physical appearance of the men in black

2763
01:55:02,420 --> 01:55:00,860
that actually really aren't that many

2764
01:55:06,620 --> 01:55:02,430
differences I mean I'll give you a

2765
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:06,630
perfect example in 2005 I went to Puerto

2766
01:55:10,460 --> 01:55:08,250
Rico and one of my many expeditions

2767
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:10,470
looking for the chupacabra and this is

2768
01:55:15,650 --> 01:55:12,810
actually an expedition I went on with

2769
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:15,660
Paul Kimball's Red Star films Company of

2770
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:19,110
Canada Paul was making a documentary for

2771
01:55:23,180 --> 01:55:20,970
the Canada space channel on animal

2772
01:55:26,030 --> 01:55:23,190
mutilations and Paul wanted to film a

2773
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:26,040
section on the chupacabra so we went out

2774
01:55:29,210 --> 01:55:27,360
there for about I think that eight or

2775
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:29,220
nine days Paul might correct me if I'm

2776
01:55:32,830 --> 01:55:30,690
wrong but it was something like that

2777
01:55:36,290 --> 01:55:32,840
anyway and when we were there we

2778
01:55:38,030 --> 01:55:36,300
interviewed a guy who's in relation to a

2779
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:38,040
story where suppose he'd seen a

2780
01:55:42,260 --> 01:55:40,530
chupacabra and the next day in the

2781
01:55:44,420 --> 01:55:42,270
middle of the ell yankie rainforest or

2782
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:44,430
on the fringes of it these sort of man

2783
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:46,170
in black and woman in a woman in black

2784
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:49,410
turned up both in black suits looking

2785
01:55:55,340 --> 01:55:53,490
very pale and emotionless you know

2786
01:55:58,700 --> 01:55:55,350
wearing suits and business suits in

2787
01:56:01,520 --> 01:55:58,710
terms of the woman in like 9,500 degree

2788
01:56:04,430 --> 01:56:01,530
Porto Rican heat you know in this little

2789
01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:04,440
village bordering on the rainforest and

2790
01:56:08,630 --> 01:56:06,360
and he described and was like you know

2791
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,640
looking sickly and ill so in other words

2792
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:10,800
you know Puerto Rico's a totally

2793
01:56:15,020 --> 01:56:12,570
different culture to the u.s. to the UK

2794
01:56:16,610 --> 01:56:15,030
but the men in black and in this case

2795
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:16,620
the woman in black was described as the

2796
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:18,210
same like you know you wanted to speed

2797
01:56:24,350 --> 01:56:20,400
in a good meal and you know get him in

2798
01:56:27,250 --> 01:56:24,360
the Sun to tan the skin a bit and so but

2799
01:56:29,630 --> 01:56:27,260
you know you know how many Chinese

2800
01:56:32,810 --> 01:56:29,640
reports but well we don't keel talked

2801
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:32,820
about that yeah yeah actually you don't

2802
01:56:35,540 --> 01:56:35,040
get those I get quite a few of those you

2803
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:35,550
know where pay

2804
01:56:38,930 --> 01:56:36,930
people have said they you know there's

2805
01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:38,940
like a Chinese or a bit of a Japanese

2806
01:56:44,060 --> 01:56:41,520
appearance to them but what's

2807
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:44,070
interesting is it's generally around the

2808
01:56:50,300 --> 01:56:47,490
eyes you know in the sense that it's

2809
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:50,310
just the eyes it's not you know the the

2810
01:56:56,150 --> 01:56:52,050
rest of sort of the the physical

2811
01:56:57,380 --> 01:56:56,160
appearance at all so in that sense you

2812
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,390
know it's kind of odd one of the other

2813
01:57:03,080 --> 01:56:59,280
issues that I find time and time again

2814
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:03,090
is that the witnesses say that what is

2815
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:05,280
sort of particularly creepy is that

2816
01:57:10,580 --> 01:57:08,010
they're not able to age the men in black

2817
01:57:12,170 --> 01:57:10,590
you know they look at them and they've

2818
01:57:14,630 --> 01:57:12,180
not sure if they're looking at somebody

2819
01:57:16,190 --> 01:57:14,640
who's 35 and who might actually look a

2820
01:57:18,290 --> 01:57:16,200
bit older than they are somebody who's

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01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:18,300
60 and for some reason looks actually

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really young let's do our break at the

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02:02:07,299 --> 02:02:01,939
podcast.com that's the Porky Pig

2931
02:02:11,799 --> 02:02:07,309
Perico no I think if we get him started

2932
02:02:13,509 --> 02:02:11,809
it's gonna be a pretty strange show yeah

2933
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:13,519
NIC Redferns here talk about men in

2934
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:15,650
black answering questions from your

2935
02:02:21,459 --> 02:02:18,650
listeners as voiced by our guest co-host

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02:02:25,299 --> 02:02:21,469
Kirk Collins you were continuing with

2937
02:02:27,069 --> 02:02:25,309
this story Nick Redfern yeah how the men

2938
02:02:29,709 --> 02:02:27,079
in black they you know they look weird

2939
02:02:31,659 --> 02:02:29,719
because it's hard to guess their age you

2940
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:31,669
know a couple of people actually tell

2941
02:02:36,189 --> 02:02:33,530
independently of each other said that

2942
02:02:38,109 --> 02:02:36,199
they look like somebody who you know you

2943
02:02:40,029 --> 02:02:38,119
see some of these Hollywood disasters

2944
02:02:42,549 --> 02:02:40,039
with plastic surgery where they've just

2945
02:02:44,649 --> 02:02:42,559
gone too far or you know they've gone

2946
02:02:46,659 --> 02:02:44,659
too far with Botox and they just look

2947
02:02:48,969 --> 02:02:46,669
they don't even look properly human

2948
02:02:51,939 --> 02:02:48,979
anymore if the men in black inventive

2949
02:02:53,290 --> 02:02:51,949
attacks well actually if they do you

2950
02:02:54,909 --> 02:02:53,300
know they should be rich with all the

2951
02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:54,919
money I guess they get from all these

2952
02:03:01,839 --> 02:02:57,650
sort of old clowns who want to look 35

2953
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:01,849
again or whatever but I took something

2954
02:03:08,679 --> 02:03:05,090
related to that cause wrestling to I

2955
02:03:11,020 --> 02:03:08,689
want to look younger and I developed a

2956
02:03:12,669 --> 02:03:11,030
side effect in my mouth that made it

2957
02:03:15,699 --> 02:03:12,679
difficult to eat it was like a little

2958
02:03:17,500 --> 02:03:15,709
pimple or something and the crazy doctor

2959
02:03:21,250 --> 02:03:17,510
and I'll say that the doctor will not be

2960
02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:21,260
named I won't name her but she denied

2961
02:03:27,159 --> 02:03:24,800
this happen but I do know that as soon

2962
02:03:29,770 --> 02:03:27,169
as the effects of that medication were

2963
02:03:31,989 --> 02:03:29,780
off the pimple in my mouth that made it

2964
02:03:34,179 --> 02:03:31,999
difficult to eat disappeared it was a

2965
02:03:36,399 --> 02:03:34,189
horrible time let me go and go you know

2966
02:03:38,469 --> 02:03:36,409
Botox is totally different from

2967
02:03:40,689 --> 02:03:38,479
wrestling yeah well you know I mean

2968
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:40,699
buddies how people describe them I

2969
02:03:44,109 --> 02:03:42,650
remember one of them a woman tell me she

2970
02:03:45,580 --> 02:03:44,119
got really creeped I actually have never

2971
02:03:47,529 --> 02:03:45,590
published this one because she won't you

2972
02:03:50,229 --> 02:03:47,539
know I don't publish stories if people

2973
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:50,239
don't want me to but you know she was

2974
02:03:54,489 --> 02:03:52,130
okay let me talking to Mary providing I

2975
02:03:56,350 --> 02:03:54,499
didn't sort of reveal her name and you

2976
02:03:58,390 --> 02:03:56,360
know town and all that business but you

2977
02:04:00,850 --> 02:03:58,400
know it's just a small aside but she

2978
02:04:02,529 --> 02:04:00,860
said that she looked at this guy and she

2979
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:02,539
was really creeped out because she said

2980
02:04:07,149 --> 02:04:04,400
his skin looked like the skin of a

2981
02:04:10,750 --> 02:04:07,159
newborn baby you know so like pudgy and

2982
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:10,760
squashy you know and but totally smooth

2983
02:04:14,910 --> 02:04:12,650
it kind of looked like she said like

2984
02:04:17,470 --> 02:04:14,920
almost his skin was like an adult baby

2985
02:04:19,630 --> 02:04:17,480
you know which probably would not really

2986
02:04:22,210 --> 02:04:19,640
weird you know so you get a lot of

2987
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:22,220
strange things like that you know with

2988
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:24,050
with sons feeling that question the

2989
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:26,930
appearance they just look unsettling

2990
02:04:30,580 --> 02:04:28,130
it's probably the best way to describe

2991
02:04:34,540 --> 02:04:30,590
him we had a question from garg's about

2992
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:34,550
this 2012 film from the haha the hotel

2993
02:04:39,580 --> 02:04:36,770
lobby footage and treif seen that one

2994
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:39,590
where the two men in black stroll in and

2995
02:04:44,170 --> 02:04:42,170
his carnem video said i'm sure you

2996
02:04:46,390 --> 02:04:44,180
remember that did you run did you

2997
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:46,400
investigate their story earn for me with

2998
02:04:51,130 --> 02:04:49,010
that well like i did but you know i mean

2999
02:04:53,260 --> 02:04:51,140
i'd looked at that quite a lot and i've

3000
02:04:55,330 --> 02:04:53,270
spoken to a lot of people so the

3001
02:04:58,600 --> 02:04:55,340
prevailing theory was just sort of some

3002
02:05:00,970 --> 02:04:58,610
sort of viral thing or you know just to

3003
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:00,980
sort of you know mix things up and see

3004
02:05:05,860 --> 02:05:03,110
what the response would be you know i've

3005
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:05,870
never been able to sort of trace it back

3006
02:05:10,450 --> 02:05:08,690
to a point where the person's come

3007
02:05:13,770 --> 02:05:10,460
forward and we know we can confirm this

3008
02:05:16,660 --> 02:05:13,780
oh we can confirm that and you know the

3009
02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:16,670
film is intriguing but one the ratings

3010
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:19,040
intriguing is because of you know that

3011
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:22,010
the lack of the entire story as to how

3012
02:05:26,830 --> 02:05:24,320
it came to be that's one of the issues I

3013
02:05:28,690 --> 02:05:26,840
have with it so yeah interesting but I

3014
02:05:31,570 --> 02:05:28,700
don't really you know put much faith in

3015
02:05:34,210 --> 02:05:31,580
it in terms of actually showing real men

3016
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:34,220
in black these things are any genuine

3017
02:05:40,180 --> 02:05:38,690
photographs and the experience well yeah

3018
02:05:42,130 --> 02:05:40,190
I mean in the real men in black I

3019
02:05:43,660 --> 02:05:42,140
reproduced his picture it's quite a

3020
02:05:46,030 --> 02:05:43,670
famous one actually you might already

3021
02:05:48,940 --> 02:05:46,040
know about I'm sure Jane does that came

3022
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:48,950
back Lee and Jim Mosely talked back in

3023
02:05:55,660 --> 02:05:51,890
the sixties in Jersey City when they got

3024
02:05:57,729 --> 02:05:55,670
a call from Mary Robinson a wife of Jack

3025
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:57,739
Robinson there were no big plays in the

3026
02:06:02,890 --> 02:05:59,840
UFO scene in Jersey City in the sixties

3027
02:06:04,780 --> 02:06:02,900
and this creepy looking guy in a black

3028
02:06:08,110 --> 02:06:04,790
suit and fedora stood outside their

3029
02:06:10,180 --> 02:06:08,120
apartment well I should say outside over

3030
02:06:13,630 --> 02:06:10,190
the road in the recess of a doorway

3031
02:06:15,729 --> 02:06:13,640
watch him Mary every morning while Jack

3032
02:06:17,620 --> 02:06:15,739
was at work and eventually she found Tim

3033
02:06:20,350 --> 02:06:17,630
and Jim and said he's been here like

3034
02:06:22,060 --> 02:06:20,360
four days normally most knowing black

3035
02:06:24,700 --> 02:06:22,070
cases they turn up once and they're gone

3036
02:06:28,030 --> 02:06:24,710
so Tim and Jim raced over to Jersey

3037
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:28,040
city early rush hour and they saw this

3038
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:30,800
guy stood exactly where Mary said he'd

3039
02:06:34,630 --> 02:06:32,480
been for the last four days running in

3040
02:06:36,700 --> 02:06:34,640
the morning they'd snap this picture and

3041
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:36,710
he didn't find it online you know a lot

3042
02:06:40,540 --> 02:06:39,170
of sites and it clearly is a man in

3043
02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:40,550
black in the sense that he's got a black

3044
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:43,130
long trench coat on he's got a black

3045
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:44,930
fedora on and sunglasses

3046
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:46,610
and he does have this sort of almost

3047
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:48,890
like weird blank expression like a

3048
02:06:52,780 --> 02:06:51,050
zombie like expression on his face and

3049
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:52,790
he just look out of place just stood

3050
02:06:58,060 --> 02:06:55,760
there rigid face forward so I actually

3051
02:06:59,860 --> 02:06:58,070
think that could be a real picture of a

3052
02:07:02,229 --> 02:06:59,870
man in black it's because when you look

3053
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:02,239
at it he's just kind of odd there's

3054
02:07:07,570 --> 02:07:04,010
something about it that sort of provokes

3055
02:07:09,610 --> 02:07:07,580
a sense of being out of place and not

3056
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:09,620
being quite right somehow yeah I think

3057
02:07:13,150 --> 02:07:11,090
that one actually could be a real one

3058
02:07:15,130 --> 02:07:13,160
but then again you know if a lot of

3059
02:07:16,690 --> 02:07:15,140
these experiences do occur in like an

3060
02:07:19,120 --> 02:07:16,700
altered state of mind with something

3061
02:07:20,770 --> 02:07:19,130
that is at least partly sort of

3062
02:07:22,990 --> 02:07:20,780
visionary in nature

3063
02:07:25,090 --> 02:07:23,000
he might almost be impossible to get a

3064
02:07:28,150 --> 02:07:25,100
photograph that might explain why the

3065
02:07:30,130 --> 02:07:28,160
Emily I'd be are so elusive you know why

3066
02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:30,140
they seem like vanish off the doorstep

3067
02:07:34,450 --> 02:07:32,030
almost immediately when they're gone

3068
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:34,460
you know the idea that it's it's sort of

3069
02:07:39,340 --> 02:07:36,530
a shift in reality that kind of thing

3070
02:07:42,310 --> 02:07:39,350
you know there's a lot of cases like

3071
02:07:43,959 --> 02:07:42,320
that that make me strongly suspect we

3072
02:07:46,120 --> 02:07:43,969
are dealing with something along those

3073
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:46,130
lines I mean the last classic example is

3074
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:49,760
if you look at the case of Peter Rajputs

3075
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:52,850
he was someone who had a deep interest

3076
02:07:58,120 --> 02:07:56,000
in UFOs a very down-to-earth logical

3077
02:08:01,510 --> 02:07:58,130
character and he had this weird

3078
02:08:03,700 --> 02:08:01,520
experience in a library where this man

3079
02:08:05,590 --> 02:08:03,710
in black suddenly turned up and you know

3080
02:08:07,420 --> 02:08:05,600
the library suddenly went quiet and he

3081
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:07,430
couldn't see anybody else in the library

3082
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:09,050
was totally alone with this man in black

3083
02:08:14,110 --> 02:08:11,360
he started asking questions about UFOs

3084
02:08:16,690 --> 02:08:14,120
and Peter's experience does sound very

3085
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:16,700
much like it occurred in in some sort of

3086
02:08:22,030 --> 02:08:19,370
weird altered state of mind but again is

3087
02:08:24,430 --> 02:08:22,040
it internally external and why did the

3088
02:08:26,590 --> 02:08:24,440
figure appear as a man in black if it

3089
02:08:28,330 --> 02:08:26,600
was just purely internal you know well

3090
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:28,340
the point to mention here too is that in

3091
02:08:33,490 --> 02:08:30,890
the case of the person in the scene by

3092
02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:33,500
Mary Robinson photographed by Tim

3093
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:35,570
Beckley and Jim Mosely it was a real

3094
02:08:40,570 --> 02:08:38,210
person now we don't know other than Mary

3095
02:08:43,060 --> 02:08:40,580
testimony if this guy was really strange

3096
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:43,070
you know we're in a portable Jersey City

3097
02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:45,440
in a in a middle-class neighborhood they

3098
02:08:49,300 --> 02:08:47,690
have elements of organized crime there

3099
02:08:51,250 --> 02:08:49,310
you never know what this person really

3100
02:08:53,140 --> 02:08:51,260
was no you don't and that's that's one

3101
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,150
of the problems is you know this sort of

3102
02:08:57,700 --> 02:08:55,280
imagery I mean all the guys dressed in

3103
02:09:00,010 --> 02:08:57,710
black suits or dark suits and fedoras

3104
02:09:02,890 --> 02:09:00,020
back in the fifties I actually there's a

3105
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:02,900
few cases I found and I can't prove this

3106
02:09:08,620 --> 02:09:06,560
you know just my suspicion is that I

3107
02:09:10,540 --> 02:09:08,630
wouldn't be surprised if occasionally

3108
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:10,550
you know some sort of weird

3109
02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:12,370
psyops and weird cycle operation

3110
02:09:17,050 --> 02:09:14,210
psychological operation might have gone

3111
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:17,060
on where you know maybe some agency or

3112
02:09:21,370 --> 02:09:18,770
some black budget group maybe

3113
02:09:22,540 --> 02:09:21,380
occasionally mimics the legends of the

3114
02:09:24,790 --> 02:09:22,550
real men in black and thought hey you

3115
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:24,800
know you may not know who these men in

3116
02:09:28,030 --> 02:09:26,810
black are but we can use the legends of

3117
02:09:31,060 --> 02:09:28,040
them to our advantage

3118
02:09:33,340 --> 02:09:31,070
and you know maybe in some cases that's

3119
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:33,350
actually happened where there's been

3120
02:09:38,410 --> 02:09:36,170
mimicking of them of the men in black by

3121
02:09:40,540 --> 02:09:38,420
somebody else you know to achieve a name

3122
02:09:42,670 --> 02:09:40,550
or a goal which then makes things even

3123
02:09:45,490 --> 02:09:42,680
more confusing if you've got real men in

3124
02:09:48,250 --> 02:09:45,500
black and you've got some sort of SIOP

3125
02:09:51,580 --> 02:09:48,260
thing going on to mimic the man in black

3126
02:09:52,900 --> 02:09:51,590
for another reason you know so that's

3127
02:09:54,729 --> 02:09:52,910
that's one of the reasons I find it so

3128
02:09:56,530 --> 02:09:54,739
sort of fascinating because you know

3129
02:09:57,970 --> 02:09:56,540
it's it's not like an either/or thing

3130
02:10:00,640 --> 02:09:57,980
there's there's so many different

3131
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:00,650
scenarios and theories and weird cases

3132
02:10:07,209 --> 02:10:04,210
and you know just and fascinating cases

3133
02:10:09,490 --> 02:10:07,219
there as I said it's you know that the

3134
02:10:11,890 --> 02:10:09,500
movies are entertaining but they're as

3135
02:10:13,600 --> 02:10:11,900
far away as you can get from what people

3136
02:10:15,850 --> 02:10:13,610
actually report apart from the color of

3137
02:10:18,010 --> 02:10:15,860
the suit you know sure we have Nick

3138
02:10:20,620 --> 02:10:18,020
Redfern talking men in black Kurt

3139
02:10:28,009 --> 02:10:20,630
Collins is our guest co-hosts with Gene

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3260
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3264
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3266
02:15:19,170 --> 02:15:15,370
let's go to a questions and no I think

3267
02:15:20,610 --> 02:15:19,180
I've kind of got you right now of course

3268
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:20,620
it's interesting here before we go on

3269
02:15:27,780 --> 02:15:24,730
about the transition here because the

3270
02:15:30,930 --> 02:15:27,790
image of men in black from the comic

3271
02:15:33,150 --> 02:15:30,940
book and the movie is a throwback to

3272
02:15:35,910 --> 02:15:33,160
Albert bender before flying saucers in

3273
02:15:38,070 --> 02:15:35,920
the three men it was really agents who

3274
02:15:41,220 --> 02:15:38,080
came in here to protect some kind of

3275
02:15:42,780 --> 02:15:41,230
secret yeah and then of course men in

3276
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:42,790
black gets to do far more complicated

3277
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:44,650
and that's why we've got some of the

3278
02:15:50,460 --> 02:15:46,330
questions about it and the question back

3279
02:15:52,650 --> 02:15:50,470
at Forum dr. Peric ascom Kurt you got

3280
02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:52,660
some more this connects what Nick was

3281
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:54,850
saying just a moment ago or this

3282
02:15:59,670 --> 02:15:57,010
question about it it's from a sign

3283
02:16:02,280 --> 02:15:59,680
flosser and the question is about Nazis

3284
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:02,290
and men and black connection he says

3285
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:04,690
according to John keel many of the early

3286
02:16:09,270 --> 02:16:06,970
men in black reports described him as

3287
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:09,280
having German accents and trying to

3288
02:16:14,040 --> 02:16:11,290
squelch discussions of possible

3289
02:16:16,230 --> 02:16:14,050
earth-based saucer technology it would

3290
02:16:17,850 --> 02:16:16,240
seem that at one time human agents were

3291
02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:17,860
actively trying to convince the public

3292
02:16:22,260 --> 02:16:20,070
the UFOs were powered by

3293
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:22,270
extraterrestrials what do you think

3294
02:16:26,730 --> 02:16:23,890
about the connection between German

3295
02:16:28,620 --> 02:16:26,740
Nazis possibly paperclip and the men in

3296
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:28,630
black you know in terms of the whole

3297
02:16:33,419 --> 02:16:30,610
paperclip thing I mean that's sort of

3298
02:16:35,430 --> 02:16:33,429
like an entire sort of subculture on its

3299
02:16:38,580 --> 02:16:35,440
own or Mouse you know I mean when the

3300
02:16:40,770 --> 02:16:38,590
German scientists were brought over the

3301
02:16:42,990 --> 02:16:40,780
ones that the Russians didn't grab a lot

3302
02:16:43,980 --> 02:16:43,000
of people forget about that you know the

3303
02:16:46,169 --> 02:16:43,990
ones that were brought over to the

3304
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:46,179
United States you know there's no doubt

3305
02:16:49,800 --> 02:16:48,010
that a lot of a brilliant you there were

3306
02:16:51,570 --> 02:16:49,810
Nazis you know that was gone you know

3307
02:16:53,129 --> 02:16:51,580
sometimes you have to sort of do a deal

3308
02:16:54,510 --> 02:16:53,139
with the devil because otherwise they

3309
02:16:55,709 --> 02:16:54,520
would have all fallen into the hands and

3310
02:16:58,620 --> 02:16:55,719
the Russians which would have been even

3311
02:17:00,720 --> 02:16:58,630
worse but in saying that you know they

3312
02:17:02,730 --> 02:17:00,730
were as bad as they were you know they

3313
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:02,740
knew what was going on in the war they

3314
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:05,050
would still were brilliant scientists so

3315
02:17:08,339 --> 02:17:06,010
I

3316
02:17:10,259 --> 02:17:08,349
don't think we can roll out the scenario

3317
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:10,269
of suddenly rabbiting flocks of

3318
02:17:14,129 --> 02:17:12,160
scientists and suddenly people have seen

3319
02:17:16,019 --> 02:17:14,139
a lot of weird things in the sky you

3320
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:16,029
know I think that's clearly some genuine

3321
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:18,370
a lot of genuine UFO cases from the late

3322
02:17:23,700 --> 02:17:21,519
forties really high-caliber cases but

3323
02:17:25,980 --> 02:17:23,710
does that mean that some of them may not

3324
02:17:27,839 --> 02:17:25,990
have been sort of secret technologies

3325
02:17:29,339 --> 02:17:27,849
being developed or new technologies I

3326
02:17:31,559 --> 02:17:29,349
should say I think some of them probably

3327
02:17:33,870 --> 02:17:31,569
were particularly weave advances in

3328
02:17:36,299 --> 02:17:33,880
rocketry and things like that with them

3329
02:17:38,519 --> 02:17:36,309
bringing the v2 rockets over I mean who

3330
02:17:40,589 --> 02:17:38,529
knows what else was brought over so I

3331
02:17:42,330 --> 02:17:40,599
think there's a connection there now as

3332
02:17:44,339 --> 02:17:42,340
far as the man in black connection to

3333
02:17:46,379 --> 02:17:44,349
all this is concerned yeah I mean kale

3334
02:17:48,030 --> 02:17:46,389
actually did hit on something when he

3335
02:17:49,919 --> 02:17:48,040
you know he talks about the German angle

3336
02:17:54,089 --> 02:17:49,929
but it sort of goes beyond that because

3337
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:54,099
I've spoken to at least I don't be exact

3338
02:17:59,129 --> 02:17:55,599
figure but I mean I would hazard a guess

3339
02:18:01,139 --> 02:17:59,139
at like 14 15 people maybe who've told

3340
02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:01,149
me that the man in black had weird

3341
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:02,710
accents that they couldn't quite place

3342
02:18:07,799 --> 02:18:05,200
well I remember one memorably said it

3343
02:18:09,330 --> 02:18:07,809
was as if somebody who was completely

3344
02:18:11,910 --> 02:18:09,340
foreign to the English language

3345
02:18:14,759 --> 02:18:11,920
I'd almost learned it parent fashion as

3346
02:18:16,320 --> 02:18:14,769
if they were asking the questions but

3347
02:18:18,179 --> 02:18:16,330
they had no understanding of what the

3348
02:18:21,660 --> 02:18:18,189
question was in other words you know if

3349
02:18:23,700 --> 02:18:21,670
you heard somebody speaking Italian like

3350
02:18:25,980 --> 02:18:23,710
a 10 word sentence you kept playing it

3351
02:18:27,299 --> 02:18:25,990
over and over you could mimic got 10

3352
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:27,309
word sentence but you'd have no

3353
02:18:30,480 --> 02:18:28,479
understanding of what you were saying

3354
02:18:32,940 --> 02:18:30,490
you would just be repeating it you know

3355
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:32,950
like a parrot they witnessed said that

3356
02:18:37,860 --> 02:18:34,569
they felt that the questions have been

3357
02:18:40,530 --> 02:18:37,870
asking is such a strange accents and put

3358
02:18:41,820 --> 02:18:40,540
him like the the emphasis on in a way

3359
02:18:44,219 --> 02:18:41,830
that you wouldn't normally put the

3360
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:44,229
emphasis on it was if the the man in

3361
02:18:48,030 --> 02:18:46,090
black actually didn't really know what

3362
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:48,040
he was saying and it was that long ago

3363
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:50,080
said you coupled that with a slightly

3364
02:18:55,799 --> 02:18:52,450
off accent which is sort of neither

3365
02:18:57,870 --> 02:18:55,809
English or American or Irish but it's in

3366
02:19:00,750 --> 02:18:57,880
English it's but it doesn't you know it

3367
02:19:02,610 --> 02:19:00,760
sounds too straight almost you know as

3368
02:19:05,219 --> 02:19:02,620
to be as if it's being learned rather

3369
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:05,229
than it been a natural kind of thing so

3370
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:08,050
you do get that at Mitylene yeah it's

3371
02:19:13,230 --> 02:19:10,330
almost like an actor doing phonetically

3372
02:19:15,389 --> 02:19:13,240
a foreign language version of a movie as

3373
02:19:17,700 --> 02:19:15,399
a matter of fact there was one song that

3374
02:19:18,980 --> 02:19:17,710
was very popular in the 60s called black

3375
02:19:22,100 --> 02:19:18,990
as black

3376
02:19:23,810 --> 02:19:22,110
a Spanish group called los Bravos and my

3377
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:23,820
understanding and somebody will tell me

3378
02:19:28,990 --> 02:19:26,010
I'm totally wrong that they couldn't

3379
02:19:30,620 --> 02:19:29,000
speak English so they sang it in English

3380
02:19:33,620 --> 02:19:30,630
because the words are written

3381
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:33,630
phonetically they had no idea what they

3382
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:37,290
were singing what that's kinda strange

3383
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:39,930
but it is the same sort of thing you

3384
02:19:43,850 --> 02:19:41,850
know the blank also comes back to what I

3385
02:19:46,130 --> 02:19:43,860
said about how so many of these events

3386
02:19:47,720 --> 02:19:46,140
seem as if they're being played out for

3387
02:19:49,551 --> 02:19:47,730
the been one sort of benefit because

3388
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:49,561
there's no positive outcome for the

3389
02:19:53,980 --> 02:19:50,880
witness but they are being played out

3390
02:19:56,780 --> 02:19:53,990
for the witness but the goal is to

3391
02:19:58,881 --> 02:19:56,790
present some sort of scenario to the

3392
02:20:01,430 --> 02:19:58,891
person the Fleck in other words he's

3393
02:20:03,020 --> 02:20:01,440
like a I won't say it's fair it's fake

3394
02:20:05,750 --> 02:20:03,030
but the threat is part of like the

3395
02:20:08,930 --> 02:20:05,760
parlour game or it's part of the stage

3396
02:20:10,881 --> 02:20:08,940
show that they perform for reasons we

3397
02:20:13,580 --> 02:20:10,891
don't really understand there was a

3398
02:20:16,220 --> 02:20:13,590
question about the reminding me what you

3399
02:20:19,430 --> 02:20:16,230
said earlier about about the chupacabra

3400
02:20:21,261 --> 02:20:19,440
now and I wanted to know if men and

3401
02:20:23,930 --> 02:20:21,271
black are most often connected with UFOs

3402
02:20:25,640 --> 02:20:23,940
but do they appear in association with

3403
02:20:28,631 --> 02:20:25,650
other things or sometimes they're just

3404
02:20:30,980 --> 02:20:28,641
spontaneous yes men in black appearances

3405
02:20:33,110 --> 02:20:30,990
that's a very good question because a

3406
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:33,120
lot of people think it is just UFOs I

3407
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:34,800
mean I mentioned Peter Backman you know

3408
02:20:38,900 --> 02:20:36,450
him and his friend in the late 60s when

3409
02:20:40,430 --> 02:20:38,910
they were doing masculine and the man in

3410
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:40,440
black Turner well there was no UFO

3411
02:20:46,970 --> 02:20:43,290
component there I've got several cases

3412
02:20:48,890 --> 02:20:46,980
of where people were visited by the men

3413
02:20:51,410 --> 02:20:48,900
in black and where there was a UFO

3414
02:20:53,421 --> 02:20:51,420
component but in the allegedly in the

3415
02:20:55,610 --> 02:20:53,431
immediate hours and days afterwards they

3416
02:20:58,461 --> 02:20:55,620
experienced violent poltergeist activity

3417
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:58,471
in the home I've got other cases where

3418
02:21:04,131 --> 02:21:00,960
people claim to being used in Ouija

3419
02:21:05,810 --> 02:21:04,141
boards and they woke up with the middle

3420
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:05,820
of the night with a shadowy fedora

3421
02:21:09,980 --> 02:21:08,250
wearing shadow type figures watching

3422
02:21:11,810 --> 02:21:09,990
them and they felt with hindsight that

3423
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:11,820
using a Ouija board they'd sort of

3424
02:21:15,770 --> 02:21:14,250
opened up a doorway to and allowed

3425
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:15,780
something through now of course all that

3426
02:21:20,570 --> 02:21:18,210
is dependent on whether you accept that

3427
02:21:22,580 --> 02:21:20,580
wager boards have the ability to do that

3428
02:21:24,860 --> 02:21:22,590
you know but what the witnesses are

3429
02:21:27,801 --> 02:21:24,870
saying in other words is that it's not

3430
02:21:30,591 --> 02:21:27,811
always that there's a UFO component

3431
02:21:32,511 --> 02:21:30,601
involved and very often in these sort of

3432
02:21:32,990 --> 02:21:32,521
middle of the night in counties when

3433
02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:33,000
somebody

3434
02:21:39,140 --> 02:21:36,210
the shadowy fedora wearing hat man

3435
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:39,150
they usually isn't a UFO component but

3436
02:21:42,770 --> 02:21:40,770
that's the way of things you know and

3437
02:21:44,330 --> 02:21:42,780
well I say it's weird it's not weird

3438
02:21:46,700 --> 02:21:44,340
it's just that people often associate

3439
02:21:48,740 --> 02:21:46,710
the men in black with UFOs and when

3440
02:21:51,020 --> 02:21:48,750
there isn't a TfL component people get

3441
02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:51,030
puzzled but so I mean the most of the

3442
02:21:56,690 --> 02:21:53,010
reports there is a UFO angle but I would

3443
02:21:58,130 --> 02:21:56,700
say 10 15 20 percent maybe he has to be

3444
02:22:00,500 --> 02:21:58,140
the guest there that's something around

3445
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:00,510
those figures of all the reports I get

3446
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:03,600
there is no UFO aspect to it but there

3447
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:06,570
is some other weird aspect to it ok by

3448
02:22:11,360 --> 02:22:08,160
the way I have a clarification here

3449
02:22:15,080 --> 02:22:11,370
about some folklore the lead singer of

3450
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:15,090
los Bravos was actually german his name

3451
02:22:23,780 --> 02:22:19,680
Mike kögel all right Michael Volker kogo

3452
02:22:25,610 --> 02:22:23,790
born in Berlin 25 April 1944 so we

3453
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:25,620
assume the guy get at least speak German

3454
02:22:29,660 --> 02:22:28,050
possibly Spanish and possibly English

3455
02:22:34,910 --> 02:22:29,670
who knows I don't know where this

3456
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started Germany yet what well before we

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get too far away from that their last

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topic that the flip of this was a

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question from God's McCain he said Nick

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do you know of any case that involved a

3461
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man in black being actually seen in a

3462
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UFO or beside one you know where there

3463
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was a direct connection not where they

3464
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came afterwards um actually very few

3465
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which is interesting in itself I've

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actually got one there's one case in the

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book where a guy did say he was in a

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classic abduction story and he did say

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two guys dressed in black suits on board

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the craft now that's yeah I think that's

3471
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actually the only case of all three

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books I've done on the man in black I

3473
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think that's actually the only case I've

3474
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ever mentioned where the man in black

3475
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was seen on board the UFO almost

3476
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exclusively you know it's in the

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person's home or occasionally you know

3478
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they're being followed down the street

3479
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there are some odd cases where you know

3480
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they they photographed the person's home

3481
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but I wouldn't be surprised in those

3482
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cases if it's where for example you know

3483
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some sort of intimidation it might be

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some sort of SIOP typing to

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person out but with the release of the

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weird a man in black angle it's a really

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III can only think about one i

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publishing in a book where they have

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been seen on border crafted otherwise

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you know just primarily in the home

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Nick Redfern channeling his inner Dalek

3585
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right I know why I have him say

3586
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exterminate do it I can do it sort of

3587
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but it really does a number on your

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throat and I think they do it with a

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machine over at the Doctor Who

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production house don't they use a

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machine to create no idea but I do know

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what the Daleks value all right

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actually Daleks are sat tired from Robby

3594
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the Robot actually they kind of like you

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know that's the that's the evil twin of

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Robby the Robot that's where they are

3597
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Kurt Collins is here Nick Redfern we're

3598
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putting together men in black stories

3599
02:29:46,590 --> 02:29:43,779
let me kind of cut to the chase here

3600
02:29:48,840 --> 02:29:46,600
Nick are there any men in black cases

3601
02:29:51,150 --> 02:29:48,850
where you think they really are the

3602
02:29:53,580 --> 02:29:51,160
government agents or the result of some

3603
02:29:56,099 --> 02:29:53,590
kind of government operation well yeah I

3604
02:29:58,080 --> 02:29:56,109
mean some of them I don't think are even

3605
02:30:00,389 --> 02:29:58,090
sinister you know I mean if you look

3606
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:00,399
back at the fifties for example I've got

3607
02:30:05,639 --> 02:30:03,130
through the food information act tons of

3608
02:30:07,679 --> 02:30:05,649
files on you know the FBI is now

3609
02:30:10,769 --> 02:30:07,689
Declassified files on the contactees I

3610
02:30:13,530 --> 02:30:10,779
got for example George Adamski's Van

3611
02:30:14,340 --> 02:30:13,540
Tassel's George hunt William Sherman

3612
02:30:16,530 --> 02:30:14,350
bathroom

3613
02:30:18,660 --> 02:30:16,540
Frank strangers I got all their FBI

3614
02:30:21,420 --> 02:30:18,670
files and in many cases they were

3615
02:30:23,160 --> 02:30:21,430
interviewed personally by the the FBI on

3616
02:30:25,320 --> 02:30:23,170
three or four occasions you know they

3617
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:25,330
traveled out to the Van Tassel several

3618
02:30:27,450 --> 02:30:26,890
times a giant rock that's all in the

3619
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:27,460
files

3620
02:30:31,860 --> 02:30:30,130
same with Adamski so in other words to

3621
02:30:34,410 --> 02:30:31,870
get to the point your question some

3622
02:30:37,710 --> 02:30:34,420
cases I think which are perceived as men

3623
02:30:39,719 --> 02:30:37,720
in black cases from decades ago may well

3624
02:30:43,710 --> 02:30:39,729
be had been visits from sort of like

3625
02:30:46,070 --> 02:30:43,720
plain clothes FBI people or Air Force or

3626
02:30:48,360 --> 02:30:46,080
CIA even interviewing people about

3627
02:30:50,220 --> 02:30:48,370
Europol cases they've had the

3628
02:30:52,410 --> 02:30:50,230
cause in those years the fashion was

3629
02:30:54,330 --> 02:30:52,420
black suits and fedoras and then years

3630
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:54,340
later people watch them you know when

3631
02:30:57,091 --> 02:30:55,690
they're in the sixties or seventies I

3632
02:30:59,160 --> 02:30:57,101
watched the men in black movies and I

3633
02:31:02,250 --> 02:30:59,170
think wow that's just like those guys

3634
02:31:04,500 --> 02:31:02,260
that visited me back in 1957 they wore

3635
02:31:07,440 --> 02:31:04,510
black suits and black fedoras etc etc

3636
02:31:10,470 --> 02:31:07,450
but they weren't real men in black they

3637
02:31:12,420 --> 02:31:10,480
had the same sort of outfit and they're

3638
02:31:15,091 --> 02:31:12,430
asking questions about UFOs but it was

3639
02:31:16,261 --> 02:31:15,101
more of a legitimate official study so I

3640
02:31:18,540 --> 02:31:16,271
think some things that have been

3641
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:18,550
interpreted as men in black actually do

3642
02:31:23,400 --> 02:31:21,010
have a legitimate regular government

3643
02:31:25,710 --> 02:31:23,410
angle to them and I say that that's why

3644
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:25,720
I brought up the the issue of you know

3645
02:31:29,250 --> 02:31:27,010
we can prove though the freedom

3646
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:29,260
information files of people like Hunt

3647
02:31:33,841 --> 02:31:31,840
Williams sir and Van Tassel Adamski were

3648
02:31:35,730 --> 02:31:33,851
all visited so the maybe dozens of

3649
02:31:39,060 --> 02:31:35,740
others who were legitimately visited by

3650
02:31:41,490 --> 02:31:39,070
people in fedoras and black suits there

3651
02:31:44,011 --> 02:31:41,500
are a few cases I've got that do lead me

3652
02:31:46,770 --> 02:31:44,021
to think that I just said the man in

3653
02:31:50,580 --> 02:31:46,780
black motif may have been adopted in a

3654
02:31:51,720 --> 02:31:50,590
few weird PSYOP cases not very often you

3655
02:31:53,011 --> 02:31:51,730
know I don't think this happens all the

3656
02:31:54,180 --> 02:31:53,021
time I think the cover would have been

3657
02:31:56,610 --> 02:31:54,190
blown but I think that could have been a

3658
02:31:59,011 --> 02:31:56,620
couple of cases possibly done to sort of

3659
02:32:00,870 --> 02:31:59,021
sow the seeds even more of the weirdness

3660
02:32:02,700 --> 02:32:00,880
you know so if people start talking

3661
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:02,710
about these things people just laugh at

3662
02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:04,210
them you know so William I mean

3663
02:32:06,930 --> 02:32:05,530
particularly today's world you know

3664
02:32:10,261 --> 02:32:06,940
people say we've been watching too many

3665
02:32:11,761 --> 02:32:10,271
men in black movies so I think it may

3666
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:11,771
have been done it as an effect

3667
02:32:16,320 --> 02:32:14,650
deliberately but ironically and it may

3668
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:16,330
well be the case that whoever's doing

3669
02:32:21,570 --> 02:32:18,730
this is aware of the real man in black

3670
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:21,580
legend but has no clue as to what is

3671
02:32:25,591 --> 02:32:23,290
behind that legend I just know it works

3672
02:32:27,810 --> 02:32:25,601
for them to actually exploit it now and

3673
02:32:30,091 --> 02:32:27,820
again just to clarify the dating of men

3674
02:32:32,910 --> 02:32:30,101
in black the first movie Will Smith

3675
02:32:35,250 --> 02:32:32,920
Tommy Lee Jones and Vincent D'Onofrio

3676
02:32:36,570 --> 02:32:35,260
playing that insect kind of guy this is

3677
02:32:41,551 --> 02:32:36,580
before he did law and order

3678
02:32:45,690 --> 02:32:41,561
criminal intent 1997 okay and the last

3679
02:32:48,301 --> 02:32:45,700
movie featured Josh Brolin as the young

3680
02:32:49,500 --> 02:32:48,311
Tommy Lee Jones don't ask me to explain

3681
02:32:52,920 --> 02:32:49,510
how that worked

3682
02:32:55,380 --> 02:32:52,930
men in black the galaxy protectors any

3683
02:32:57,480 --> 02:32:55,390
more questions Kirk Collins about men in

3684
02:32:59,310 --> 02:32:57,490
black I think we pretty well covered

3685
02:32:59,929 --> 02:32:59,320
that there are a few questions about

3686
02:33:02,809 --> 02:32:59,939
other time

3687
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:02,819
Publix including about if Nick himself

3688
02:33:08,989 --> 02:33:06,479
is paranormal mr. Fethullah ass you were

3689
02:33:11,389 --> 02:33:08,999
so prolific and hard-working Nick do you

3690
02:33:13,969 --> 02:33:11,399
think there's any possibility that you

3691
02:33:16,099 --> 02:33:13,979
and the others like you are unwitting

3692
02:33:19,010 --> 02:33:16,109
psychic vampires who are drawing energy

3693
02:33:22,660 --> 02:33:19,020
off the general populace who as a result

3694
02:33:26,300 --> 02:33:22,670
are sluggish and ineffectual like us

3695
02:33:28,460 --> 02:33:26,310
well I am kind of pale I'm not sort of

3696
02:33:30,679 --> 02:33:28,470
that you know I'm tall but I'm skinny

3697
02:33:33,219 --> 02:33:30,689
and I do a dress in black you know but

3698
02:33:35,599 --> 02:33:33,229
that doesn't make me a psychic vampire

3699
02:33:37,939 --> 02:33:35,609
people often ask me questions like that

3700
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:37,949
you know about writing and putting books

3701
02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:40,560
out and writing articles but because

3702
02:33:44,239 --> 02:33:42,090
actually no mystery I mean I realize the

3703
02:33:46,580 --> 02:33:44,249
question was asked to hinge yes there's

3704
02:33:48,199 --> 02:33:46,590
actually nothing that bizarre about it

3705
02:33:50,330 --> 02:33:48,209
really in the sense that you know I'm

3706
02:33:52,519 --> 02:33:50,340
very structured what I do you know I

3707
02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:52,529
sort of get up at 7:00 every morning at

3708
02:33:56,689 --> 02:33:54,810
breakfast and I tend to write sort of

3709
02:33:58,309 --> 02:33:56,699
8:00 to 5:00 Monday to Friday and then I

3710
02:34:00,380 --> 02:33:58,319
stop like a second I'm a big one for

3711
02:34:03,229 --> 02:34:00,390
having a normal life and a good social

3712
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:03,239
life evenings and weekends so I pretty

3713
02:34:07,399 --> 02:34:05,520
much rigidly stick you know as close to

3714
02:34:09,199 --> 02:34:07,409
five as I can I like to keep it job

3715
02:34:11,029 --> 02:34:09,209
hours now I wouldn't want people to

3716
02:34:14,029 --> 02:34:11,039
think that what I do is like some

3717
02:34:16,099 --> 02:34:14,039
cynically cynical job you know I have a

3718
02:34:18,620 --> 02:34:16,109
passion for everything I write about in

3719
02:34:20,599 --> 02:34:18,630
this field you know and I try and pull

3720
02:34:22,849 --> 02:34:20,609
out stuff I hope people will enjoy and

3721
02:34:24,559 --> 02:34:22,859
appreciate and which will provoke debate

3722
02:34:27,050 --> 02:34:24,569
you know I don't just do it for the sake

3723
02:34:29,540 --> 02:34:27,060
of doing it but when you do in too late

3724
02:34:31,670 --> 02:34:29,550
to 5:00 Monday to Friday you know 9

3725
02:34:33,649 --> 02:34:31,680
hours a day Monday to Friday and you're

3726
02:34:35,330 --> 02:34:33,659
structured and you sit down and you and

3727
02:34:37,699 --> 02:34:35,340
you do it you know you type the words

3728
02:34:40,699 --> 02:34:37,709
every single day 9 hours a day 5 days a

3729
02:34:42,679 --> 02:34:40,709
week you can get a lot done but if you

3730
02:34:45,170 --> 02:34:42,689
apply yourself and you're structured and

3731
02:34:47,000 --> 02:34:45,180
that's what I do you know I have some

3732
02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:47,010
friends they get inspired I like to work

3733
02:34:50,510 --> 02:34:49,050
through the night you know that's not me

3734
02:34:52,699 --> 02:34:50,520
I don't like working sort of midnight

3735
02:34:55,250 --> 02:34:52,709
till 6:00 or something like that I like

3736
02:34:57,290 --> 02:34:55,260
to keep work hours you know and if you

3737
02:34:59,660 --> 02:34:57,300
do that but it works for me you know I

3738
02:35:02,630 --> 02:34:59,670
can sort of feel I get up I wake up and

3739
02:35:04,370 --> 02:35:02,640
wide awake and I just crank it all out

3740
02:35:06,019 --> 02:35:04,380
you know till 5 o'clock when you're

3741
02:35:08,719 --> 02:35:06,029
doing that like I said five days a week

3742
02:35:10,790 --> 02:35:08,729
you can get a lot done it's you know

3743
02:35:13,010 --> 02:35:10,800
there's nothing sort of magical or weird

3744
02:35:13,881 --> 02:35:13,020
about it it's just you provide you know

3745
02:35:16,461 --> 02:35:13,891
what you're doing and what

3746
02:35:20,031 --> 02:35:16,471
right about you can achieve a lot in

3747
02:35:22,071 --> 02:35:20,041
that times it's discipline disciplined

3748
02:35:24,411 --> 02:35:22,081
and of course you know it's like I mean

3749
02:35:26,060 --> 02:35:24,421
I enjoy the job I do but freelance

3750
02:35:29,451 --> 02:35:26,070
writing I mean he's one of the most

3751
02:35:31,341 --> 02:35:29,461
precarious jobs out there professions

3752
02:35:34,581 --> 02:35:31,351
out there and a lot of people don't

3753
02:35:36,741 --> 02:35:34,591
realize that I would say a good 60% of

3754
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:36,751
all the work I do has nothing to do with

3755
02:35:42,711 --> 02:35:39,690
paranormal writing at all I do most of

3756
02:35:45,741 --> 02:35:42,721
2009 I spent work doing website content

3757
02:35:48,111 --> 02:35:45,751
for a Dallas Attorney's Office which

3758
02:35:49,611 --> 02:35:48,121
handled medical lawsuits you know today

3759
02:35:53,270 --> 02:35:49,621
I D like a lot of editing and

3760
02:35:55,220 --> 02:35:53,280
proofreading services for authors on all

3761
02:35:57,100 --> 02:35:55,230
sorts of things again mostly nothing at

3762
02:36:00,321 --> 02:35:57,110
all to do with anything even vaguely

3763
02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:00,331
paranormal I've also ghost written some

3764
02:36:04,520 --> 02:36:03,450
very famous UFO books which people think

3765
02:36:05,810 --> 02:36:04,530
of being written by the author and

3766
02:36:07,881 --> 02:36:05,820
they're actually written by Nick Redfern

3767
02:36:10,520 --> 02:36:07,891
you know and I just got to thank you in

3768
02:36:12,291 --> 02:36:10,530
the acknowledgments which contractual

3769
02:36:16,690 --> 02:36:12,301
I'm not allowed to know which books

3770
02:36:19,131 --> 02:36:16,700
those are but I also do a lot of regular

3771
02:36:21,081 --> 02:36:19,141
newspaper magazine articles I do a lot

3772
02:36:23,841 --> 02:36:21,091
of writing for music magazines and

3773
02:36:26,631 --> 02:36:23,851
concert reviews and things like that I

3774
02:36:29,961 --> 02:36:26,641
think I've had a few people what I call

3775
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:29,971
uninformed and just basically you know

3776
02:36:33,440 --> 02:36:31,530
scummy people who said well Nick does

3777
02:36:35,421 --> 02:36:33,450
this for the money I can assure them

3778
02:36:38,180 --> 02:36:35,431
that there's no way I could earn a

3779
02:36:41,961 --> 02:36:38,190
living no way at all from writing books

3780
02:36:43,640 --> 02:36:41,971
about UFOs Bigfoot Loch Ness monster etc

3781
02:36:45,591 --> 02:36:43,650
I just couldn't do it I'll be broke in

3782
02:36:48,621 --> 02:36:45,601
three months I know about writing

3783
02:36:50,900 --> 02:36:48,631
production-line books yeah and the money

3784
02:36:54,140 --> 02:36:50,910
is not there believe me folks there are

3785
02:36:57,201 --> 02:36:54,150
rare rare bestsellers but just the

3786
02:36:58,671 --> 02:36:57,211
regular journeyman books great quality

3787
02:37:01,430 --> 02:36:58,681
that nick is doing there but he's not

3788
02:37:02,751 --> 02:37:01,440
rolling in it now maybe that Steiger did

3789
02:37:05,841 --> 02:37:02,761
better because he wrote four million

3790
02:37:08,150 --> 02:37:05,851
books but full-time and canon a

3791
02:37:10,131 --> 02:37:08,160
full-time living as a writer going into

3792
02:37:12,501 --> 02:37:10,141
a lot of different areas but I couldn't

3793
02:37:14,331 --> 02:37:12,511
earn a living from writing about what we

3794
02:37:15,621 --> 02:37:14,341
call the paranormal and a lot of people

3795
02:37:17,781 --> 02:37:15,631
I know they said well how do you do it

3796
02:37:19,581 --> 02:37:17,791
and I can't and I explained to them well

3797
02:37:21,440 --> 02:37:19,591
you're not diversifying and doing

3798
02:37:23,571 --> 02:37:21,450
regular journalism as well you're trying

3799
02:37:26,091 --> 02:37:23,581
to earn a living from writing a book on

3800
02:37:26,480 --> 02:37:26,101
area 51 and that's not going to work you

3801
02:37:27,341 --> 02:37:26,490
know

3802
02:37:29,591 --> 02:37:27,351
there's any one

3803
02:37:31,360 --> 02:37:29,601
million that does Nick Redfern where can

3804
02:37:34,031 --> 02:37:31,370
our listeners find more of the stuff you

3805
02:37:36,850 --> 02:37:34,041
do well my blog if I google Nick Redfern

3806
02:37:40,060 --> 02:37:36,860
plus world of whatever and the address

3807
02:37:43,150 --> 02:37:40,070
is Nick Redfern forty and fo RT EA n

3808
02:37:45,940 --> 02:37:43,160
Nick Redfern forty and blog spot.com

3809
02:37:47,860 --> 02:37:45,950
or you find me at Facebook and Twitter

3810
02:37:50,201 --> 02:37:47,870
as well and the books are all available

3811
02:37:51,970 --> 02:37:50,211
on Amazon and most up meant off the

3812
02:37:54,400 --> 02:37:51,980
shelves in Barnes & Noble as well

3813
02:37:57,581 --> 02:37:54,410
and by the way print books are staging a

3814
02:37:58,360 --> 02:37:57,591
resurgence just let you know absolutely

3815
02:38:00,520 --> 02:37:58,370
yeh

3816
02:38:03,281 --> 02:38:00,530
Kurt Collins you have a blog tell us

3817
02:38:04,451 --> 02:38:03,291
about it yes you can for me it blew more

3818
02:38:06,491 --> 02:38:04,461
elance.com

3819
02:38:08,470 --> 02:38:06,501
and you can find us on twitter we're

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02:38:10,451 --> 02:38:08,480
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02:38:12,491 --> 02:38:10,461
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3834
02:38:42,190 --> 02:38:39,081
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3835
02:38:44,321 --> 02:38:42,200
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02:38:52,340 --> 02:38:44,331
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